Skip to comments.Rowan Finally Speaks - But What About Those In The US Who Want Full Communion
Posted on 06/28/2006 6:02:08 PM PDT by sionnsar
Read it all. I really wish he would address what happens to those folks like me who dont want observer status but full communion?
In light of some of the comments, let me clarify: I wish ++Rowan would more clearly state what is needed to be done by those who wish to remain in Communion who are currently within and without ECUSA. However, this is a preliminary and early statement.
Right now, it appears to me that there will be a gradual re-ordering of things in the United States as far as Anglicanism. Does everyone else seem to get that? My bishop certainly does, and Kendall Harmon told me it would look like that as well.
So, it looks like it is a long haul ahead. It means running for Deputy again. It means continuing to stand firm. But, it also means planning ahead, declaring the differences, and moving forward.
It means my Diocesan Convention will have to confront this head on.
Great thread; any other thoughts?
Personally, I think that ++Rowan needs to recognize (officially) groups such as the AMIA so that the faithful remnant in ECUSA/TEC can have a home.
OTOH, the faithful in ECUSA/TEC need see the organization for what it is and leave anyway.
I'm so glad that I no longer have to make excuses for my leadership or the contradictions.
The practicalities of the matter have to be addressed carefully, and Rowan Williams is in no position to order my bishop to behave a certain way toward my parish.
The property and other issues are, quite simply, there, and it will not be a simple matter to persuade Episcopal bishops to let go in a graceful manner.
Moreover, the Communion has no structure in place to accept individual parishes: another Province is required. Again, the question of realignment of parishes with the old or new Province involves a lot of intricate dealings.
I think the AMiA has caused a lot more problems than it's solved.
As opposed to the problems caused by "815" and Grizzy himself?
Of course not. Then again, mere opposition to "'815' and Grizzy" is not sufficient to make one a solution, as opposed to just another problem.
One way to see how AMiA causes problems is to look at where they are. You won't find many AMiA parishes in Dioceses like Newark or San Francisco -- no, they're in Diocese that are, or used to be, pretty conservative.
IOW, they stay away from places where they can do some good, and they poop in the pools of places that could stand up to "'815' and Grizzy".
How long are you going to stay in the burning building?
... said the serpent to Eve?
How long are you willing to stay in? How old is your rector? Is your bishop a revisionist?
That's between me and God -- and God is telling me to stay.
How old is your rector?
Is your bishop a revisionist?
An interesting question. Were it not for several parishes breaking away for the AMiA, Ephraim Radner would be my bishop today. Instead, the balance was tipped toward the liberals, and indeed my bishop is a revisionist.
Are you upset at just the parishes that have gone to AMiA or at all of us who have left the Episcopal Church?
I get miffed at those who ask me when I'm going to leave. God says stay -- so I'm staying.
Then I pray for strength and fortitude for you. We have young children whose souls were in peril through the shoddy catechesis. We fought for 20 years in all levels save national. But in the end, our hearts were broken one too many times.
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