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To: NYer
Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

So before Jesus was born in the flesh, there was only a Duopoly??? I don't think so!

Jesus as God was there to take part in the Creation...The Trinity has always been there...

There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the

I don't see any logic there...If you are a father, your son's mother does not become your mother...Your son is part of you but his mother is not...Where is that illogical???

34 posted on 06/27/2006 12:48:35 PM PDT by Iscool (I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
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To: Iscool
So before Jesus was born in the flesh, there was only a Duopoly??? I don't think so!

Of course not. There always was a Trinity. Motherhood involves a person-to-person relationship with the child, not the mere act of conceiving offspring. Since Mary had a mother-son relationship with with the Second Person of the Trinity made flesh, she is truly the Mother of God.

36 posted on 06/27/2006 1:13:29 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Iscool
Let's consider the age-old heresy of Nestorius. He was a bishop who claimed that the Blessed Virgin bore only Christ's human nature in her womb.

This heresy would have divided Christ into two separate persons, one human and one divine, only one of which was carried in the womb of the Blessed Virgin.

The Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD, defined that Mary can be referred to as the Mother of God, not meaning that she is older than God or His source, but in the sense that the person she carried in her womb was, truly in fact, God incarnate, God enfleshed.

Note that this ecumenical decree is just as much about Jesus as it is about Mary. It was designed to protect the sacred truth that Christ is one Divine person with two natures.
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This is a very ancient heresy, a very ancient Council. Theotokos, or God-bearer is a very ancient Marian title. The vast majority of Christians, from the earliest days of the Church until now, have confessed it.

Even today, those who wish to be provacative and incendiary where Christology is concerned, don't want to be anything as stale and dusty as Nestorian heretics.
43 posted on 06/27/2006 1:33:59 PM PDT by Lilllabettt
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