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To: narses; vox_freedom; murphE; sitetest; BlackElk
2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:

*I didn't treat fellay that way. For over a score of years fellay/sspx has treated the Pope that way. Yall never called him/them on it

- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;

*

THat is not me in relation to fellay. That IS fellay/sspx in realtion to the Pope. Y'all never called him/them on it.

- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279

*That is not me in relation to fellay. That is fellay/sspx in relation to the pope. Ya'll never called him/them on it. - of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.

*That is not me in relation to fellay, That is fellay in relation to the Pope/Church. Y'all never called him/them on it

2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:

* I offer an absolving explanation for fellay. He/thee NEVER try and absolve the Pope.

Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.280

*That is exactly what I have been doing in re. fellay and lefevbre. Fellay and the sspx NEVER do that in re the Pope, the Council, the Mass. Ya''never even see this reality.

2479 Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one's neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity.

* Considering lefevbre/fellay/schism suporters as delusional is the sole way I can put a, marginally, positive spin on their actions.

2480 Every word or attitude is forbidden which by flattery, adulation, or complaisance encourages and confirms another in malicious acts and perverse conduct. Adulation is a grave fault if it makes one an accomplice in another's vices or grave sins. Neither the desire to be of service nor friendship justifies duplicitous speech. Adulation is a venial sin when it only seeks to be agreeable, to avoid evil, to meet a need, or to obtain legitimate advantages.

* Brothers and sisters, see to your own serious sins and faults supporting the heresies, lies, hatreds, and abominatios produced by the schism you succor and praise.

84 posted on 06/27/2006 7:38:28 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic; narses; sittnick; ninenot
When Jesus Christ drove the moneychangers from the Temple, those driven out were described in Scripture as, well, "moneychangers." God is the ultimate author of Scripture. Was He being uncharitable? Did He fail to give the "charitable" spin desired by those driven out by saying that He drove some practitioners of free enterprise from the Temple?

Last time I checked, John Paul the Great excommunicated Fellay and his fellow travelers in schism and declared their movement a schism. NOTHING has changed since andf Ecclesia Dei is in full force.

We Catholics (the ones in communion with our diocesan bishops and with the Holy See) have a traditional remedy for sin which we received on the Highest Authority. It is called repentance through legitimate authority and the humble receipt of forhgiveness. This process is available in some form to Fellay and to his fellow excommunicated schismatics. They should avail themselves of the mercy of God by confessing their crimes, undoing the scandal of their despising of papacy and popes, and begging forgiveness. If not, not.

There are plenty of "objectively valid reasons" such as Fellay's willingness to be consecrated an outlaw bishop by outlaw Archbishop Marcel and Fellay's continuation of the despicably cancerous SSPX enterprise after Marcel's apparently unrepentant demise and the ongoing scandal to actual Catholics that results from the false and pretentious claims of the excommunicated schismatics of SSPX to be Catholic at all much less in a position of some imagined "Catholic" religious superiority over those actually Catholic (in communion with diocesan bishops and with the Holy See).

Of course, Missouri Synod Lutherans (far more respectable people than SSPX) are also still in disagreement with The Vatican and have some thriving seminaries but they also have the integrity not to make believe that they are Catholic nonetheless.

Hus, Wycliffe, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Marcel, Fellay....

87 posted on 06/27/2006 8:21:45 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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