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To: xzins
This was evidenced twice last year, when a pastor admitted to her homosexual lifestyle and was removed from the pulpit,...

Her? I think women in positions as pastors is also "incompatible with Christian teaching." Methodism is moving down the same road, although not as far along, as the Episcopal Church.

Seeing this, the grief John Wesley would be experiencing would shatter his heart.

14 posted on 06/22/2006 6:02:20 PM PDT by fwdude (LEFT LANE ENDS . . . MERGE RIGHT)
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To: fwdude

Different subject, but it certainly is debatable. She was not the first, though. There have been a couple removed over the last few years.

Progress.

So far as female elders and deacons are concerned, I do not oppose any who hold to a no-female viewpoint. I think there's a limited case to be made for female deacons and elders.....that for deacon being stronger than that for elder.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 7:00:43 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: fwdude
Seeing this, the grief John Wesley would be experiencing would shatter his heart.

My Godly Methodist grandparents (died 1955 & 1964) would be as heartbroken as Wesley. They were never comfortable about my dad changing his membership from a Methodist to a Baptist church.

Today's UMC overall would be a great disappointment to them, but I can't picture them going to another denomination. I'm sure they would try to find a local Methodist church to attend which is still doctrinally sound in it's teaching and practices even though they would thoroughly disapprove of the course the UMC has taken over the last few decades.

21 posted on 06/22/2006 8:15:58 PM PDT by epow
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Her? I think women in positions as pastors is also "incompatible with Christian teaching." Methodism is moving down the same road, although not as far along, as the Episcopal Church.

while we could discuss this until the cows came home, I'll ask you to consider 1 Tim 2, and note a few things

Pauls clearly says in v9, this is his "want".....churches of his period were split in worship styles..women on one side, men on the other. Any questions of thier husbands would prove disruptive as they'd have to literally shout it across the worship area - hence the admonition that they remain silent until they get home.

9I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

are women actually saved through childbearing - again, this is Pauls opinion

and finally, I'll respectfully ask you if your church allows women to teach children in Sunday school ?, does it have female missionaries ?, arent they teachers of the gospel ?

I see the position as problematic

we need to be careful and discern where the Gospel stops and Pauls "wants" begin

the grief John Wesley would be experiencing would shatter his heart.

can you illustrate where you draw this conclusion from ?

35 posted on 06/23/2006 5:08:00 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (nnnnnneeeeet)
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