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To: lightman

There is actually some theological basis for what she said, but it still sounds very strange. Jesus is both mother and father to us. I think it was Julian of Norwich who wrote something classic about this. It's more about his role than about his gender. Though for all I know she was trying to make a gender point. She sounds pretty nice, but its still dumping on conservatives.


12 posted on 06/21/2006 1:12:14 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: ichabod1
She sounds pretty nice, but its still dumping on conservatives.

Oh, I think "dumping on conservatives" is quite a propos. Here she is with Louie Crew (LC in bold, Source: The Witness):

What about those who seem bent and determined to leave or to wound the body if they don't get their own way?

I think they need to be challenged, more so than they have been. I see signs of hope in the House of Bishops, an unwillingness to continue to put up with bad behavior. We haven't seen any action yet, but I think it is coming.

Do you have any sense of what that action might be? Would a verbal rebuke be enough?

It won't be enough in some cases, I am sure. But I have the sense that there is some desire to hold each other accountable for actions that are not canonical, for actions that have the appearance of being downright schismatic.

She sounds downright inclusive, no?
22 posted on 06/21/2006 1:30:55 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: ichabod1
There is actually some theological basis for what she said, but it still sounds very strange. Jesus is both mother and father to us.

While Jesus can do whatever He wants, technically speaking He is neither mother *or* father. He's the Son of God (or God the Son).
34 posted on 06/21/2006 4:21:33 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: ichabod1
Julian of Norwich was speaking of God the Father, not Christ. (I happen to know the passage you reference fairly well, because somebody turned it into an anthem and we sang it in our old ECUSA parish.) “As surely as God is our father, so surely God is our mother. That is why God tells us, ‘It is I. It is I, the power and goodness of fatherhood. It is I, the wisdom and love of motherhood. It is I, the light and grace that is love. I am the Trinity. I am the unity. I am the one who teaches you to love. I am the one who makes you yearn for me! I am the one who responds to all your genuine desires.'”

Since God has plainly declared in Scripture that He is to be called Father, this seems rather borderline to me. Although I can see what Julian is driving at -- since all good comes from God, then the virtues we associate with motherhood rather than fatherhood must also come from Him.

But there really isn't ANY theological basis whatsoever for viewing Christ as female.

54 posted on 06/22/2006 6:39:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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