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To: Iscool
Not only that; I'm sure I'm going to Heaven...Can you say that for yourself??

Strange. What do you make of this from Paul?

Philllipians 2:12

"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation."

Let's see what Jesus thinks...

Matthew 7:21

"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Seems to me that just telling everyone you're saved isn't going to fly. What you do, however, will matter.

32 posted on 06/21/2006 12:38:43 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

Matthew 7:21

"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Yes, indeed!

DO keep that statement in mind when you profess salvation is ONLY through the Catholic church.

When you read the Bible you will see the fallacy of believing the Catholic church is the way to salvation through works.

Eph. 2:8-9

8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.


37 posted on 06/21/2006 2:00:24 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: Rutles4Ever
with fear and trembling work out your salvation.

So then what??? You're going to throw out half the New Testament because you don't know what to do with that verse???

"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."

So tell us, what is the will of the Father for these Jews living under the law of Moses in Matthew chapter 7 ???

You guys admittedly don't even believe the Bible and yet you pick bits and pieces of it to convince someone they don't know if they're going to heaven...That won't work with a Bible believin' Christian...

50 posted on 06/21/2006 5:47:50 PM PDT by Iscool (I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
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To: Rutles4Ever
"Philllipians 2:12

"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation."


Alot of people misread that as to mean secure your own salvation through your works. Kind of like if my child says that his fishing line is all tangled up, and I say "work it out." I'm telling him to fix it himself. However, a closer look at Philippians, the word katergazomai, and the whole of what is written about salvation, shows that we aren't being told to "secure our salvation through works."

Katergazomai is the greek word that gets translated "work out." Katergazomai means to perform or show it. When you read verse 13...

Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

you see that Paul is saying show or perform on the outside what God is doing on the inside.

Philipians is written to the "saints at Philipi." These are Christian believers. Plus, a major theme of Philippians is about suffering for Christ. Some Philippians where probably afraid to show their Christianity for fear of reprisals, but Paul is exhorting them to go ahead and get out there.

When you combine this with Paul's other writtings, you know that Paul isn't advocating salvation through works.

Phl 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Why would Paul advocate works of the flesh to earn salvation in Chapter 2, and then in the very next chapter say that there is NO confidence in the flesh? Obviously, he's not.

Here's a couple of quotes from Paul in Romans...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


This is not a salvation of works.

Sincerely
100 posted on 06/22/2006 6:17:34 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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