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To: colorcountry

Jesus left the first Pope (or Prime Minister, if you will) when He called Peter the rock and "upon this rock I will build MY Church." I didn't make that up; Jesus said it. Look it up! He used the same principle in Isaiah 22:22 to create the one who "holds the keys."

I know Popes are sinners, brother. I am a sinner too and so were all of the Apostles and all Catholics. However, that is how Christ modeled HIS Church, His Mystical Body, and He left a chain of authority to sort out disputes (see Acts for abundant examples!!).

I don't believe everything the Pope says either. If he said the sky was pink today, I wouldn't believe it. However, when he speaks on matters of Faith and Morals, you bet I believe it. Christ told me to; He left a Prime Minister as the arbiter of disputes inspired by the Holy Spirit.


79 posted on 06/14/2006 4:55:54 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Frank, I've read the Bible....it's not in there. Christ built his Church upon Peter's confession.

Nice try though.

I used to be a Mormon....oh the stories I could tell you about proper authority and keys, ordinances and covenants!

Christ's Church has him at the head. The final priest in the order of Melchizadek. He is all I need, my authority is found in Him and Him in me, and a body of His followers to fellowship with.


81 posted on 06/14/2006 5:10:36 PM PDT by colorcountry (Life isn't fair, it isn't unfair either. It just "is.")
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To: Frank Sheed

***Jesus left the first Pope (or Prime Minister, if you will) when He called Peter the rock and "upon this rock I will build MY Church." I didn't make that up; Jesus said it. Look it up! He used the same principle in Isaiah 22:22 to create the one who "holds the keys." ***

So, why did God then call out another Apostle separate from the twelve, with a different commission and send him to the Gentiles?
Not only separate but one who was willing to debate and defend his position against others that believed, who was told in a vision in the Temple to get out of Jerusalem because,"They will not regard thy testimony concerning ME!

But what is important is Pope Peter, James and John gave to Him the right hand of fellowship and divided the ministry, the twelve limiting themselves to the "circumcision" and Him to the "uncircumcision".
Of course, I am refering o PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentiles.


96 posted on 06/14/2006 8:01:18 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Frank Sheed

Respectfully...please help me understand when the Pope is NOT speaking on Faith and Morals...It would seem that anytime he speaks to what the faithful are to believe he is speaking to Faith or Morals...therefore he has to be"infalliable" virtually all the time. I am not asking to be incindiary but rather to understand this concept...thanks.


115 posted on 06/14/2006 9:08:53 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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