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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; P-Marlowe
If I try to keep Torah apart from faith in Yeshua the Messiah, then you're right: I'll fail and be condemned ("for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God").

However, if I strive to keep God's commands while trusting Yeshua--and not my own works--for salvation, then yes, I believe it pleases Him:

The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way. (Psalms 37:23)

I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. (Psalms 119:174)

And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments: (Nehemiah 1:5)

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21)

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10)

And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil. And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full. (Deuteronomy 11:13-15)

All of your arguments against keeping the whole of the Torah are predicated on the idea that I believe that by keeping them, I am somehow trying to earn my salvation. Since I have repeatedly repudiated this idea, it amounts to a baseless strawman, and if carried too far, falls into the realm of slander.

I am redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. But I keep Torah out of love of the One who redeemed me, and to be just like my Rabbi.

566 posted on 06/20/2006 1:15:33 PM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; P-Marlowe
All of your arguments against keeping the whole of the Torah are predicated on the idea that I believe that by keeping them, I am somehow trying to earn my salvation. Since I have repeatedly repudiated this idea, it amounts to a baseless strawman, and if carried too far, falls into the realm of slander.

It has been my experience on this site that what people believe and what people say they believe are usually two different things. What I am merely pointing out is that 1) no one can live by the law; 2) if you break one law you're guilty of breaking all the law (see rich, young ruler); and 3) doing the "work of God" is nothing more than believing on the Lord Jesus. God writes His laws upon our hearts to MAKE us obey.

There is either God's will or our will. One is good. One is bad. Our will is not, by nature, to do the will of God.

As far as slander goes, I believe it is you who accused the Reformers as preaching people should not follow God's commands and the rewards of the Calvinists would be diminished.

585 posted on 06/20/2006 6:02:22 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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