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To: Quester
Was Mary 'two weeks' from her wedding night ? Were there even any wedding plans in the works ? Jewish betrothals can last a long time ... even years.

Timeframe is irrelevant. Utterly.

Argue to the point, please. A woman expecting to be married should not express shock and awe at being told she will conceive a child. The angel speaks in the future tense.

Had the angel said "Girl, you are pregnant now" one might expect the "how can this be?" response.

But that's not how Scripture is written. The angel tells a girl who, according to Protestant lore, is a normal girl getting ready to be married and have 8 kids, that she will conceive a child.

In what way does her response make any sense in this context? Any sense. Please explain. Had an angel told my wife before our wedding that she would conceive a child, she wouldn't be confused and perplexed about how this could happen.

SD

130 posted on 06/15/2006 8:26:39 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
The angel tells a girl who, according to Protestant lore, is a normal girl getting ready to be married and have 8 kids, that she will conceive a child.

Why is it so difficult for some to comprehend how incredibly ABNORMAL the Holy Family was? When you are entrusted with the earthly care of God, the norms of culture are probably the furthest thing from your mind.

Every translation of the Bible contains Mary's prounouncement, "All generations shall call me Blessed." However, this is totally ignored by those who claim "sola scriptura" as their guide. They refuse to refer to the Holy Mother as Blessed and instead diminish her importance to being nothing more than a "normal" Jewish girl.

If the sola scriptura crowd is to be believed, the fact that Jesus was specifically called rabbi then he must have been married as all "normal" rabbis were and are. But of course they don't believe this because this cannot be used to condemn Catholicism.

132 posted on 06/15/2006 8:50:11 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: SoothingDave
Was Mary 'two weeks' from her wedding night ? Were there even any wedding plans in the works ? Jewish betrothals can last a long time ... even years.

Timeframe is irrelevant. Utterly.


Of course timeframe is relevant.

Was she weeks away from marriage ... or ... who knows when ?

If Joseph had not yet initiated the actual wedding preparation (which, of itself, could be a year-long process), ... then Mary would have no reason to expect to be married soon ... or to bear a child.

It could be that something about the angel's delivery caused Mary to expect a sooner, rather than a later, fulfillment.

In any case, any of these explanations make more sense than the Catholic one ...
... that both Mary and Joseph took vows of celibacy (nowhere recorded in the scripture) ... but were betrothed to be married anyway.

133 posted on 06/15/2006 8:54:02 AM PDT by Quester
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To: SoothingDave
The angel speaks in the future tense. More evidence that Mary could have said no and not become the Mother of Our Lord. But she didn't say no, she merely asked how it could happen since she was a virgin, the clear implication being that she intended to stay a virgin until after her wedding to Joseph (in Jewish tradition, her betrothal was a state of married). When the Angel explained it to her, showing her the notion that she would not be 'having sex' to conceive in her womb, she agreed ... and that is one of the greatest blessings Mary gave to us, her consent to God the Father Almighty. And lest we miss this also, IT WAS HER BLESSING TO THE SON OF GOD. But as to the other notions, well, I'll take a common sense approach and accept what the Bible offers concerning the brothers and sisters of Jesus (half brothers and sisters, but still brothers and sisters from his Mother, the blessed, blessing, Mary).
135 posted on 06/15/2006 8:58:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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