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To: blue-duncan
"they (Satan, the antichrist and the false prophet) shall be tormented day and night forever and ever" that is why are is more accurate than were.

If one were to believe in the "Pagan concept" of soul immortality I can see where "are" would be a better translation. I believe the "Weymouth" translation renders it correctly by saying "were".....or had been. Nevertheless....the word "are" (or "were") in the original manuscripts does not appear.

12 posted on 06/11/2006 7:14:17 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
Read the original Greek for Rev. 20:10. It speaks of three people, Satan, the antichrist and the false prophet. The Greek then says "they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." It is the third person plural, future tense, passive voice, and indicative mood. There is nothing "pagan" about it. The scripture plainly states that Satan and two humans will suffer torment eternally and then says those whose names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life will suffer the same punishment. Are is correctly understood. The "eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die" is the classic "pagan" view of annhilation.
13 posted on 06/11/2006 7:28:55 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Diego1618
If one were to believe in the "Pagan concept" of soul immortality

Indeed, the immortality of the soul does make for some creative scriptural interpretation. How do you square 2 resurrections and judgement with going to heaven right when you die? Jesus was/is our example. He died and was resurrected. If when He died, His soul ascended, then why did he get resurrected in the exact same body with the same wounds and ask for some grub? And, if souls are immortal, then death is irrelevant and the following scriptures are fables, and Jesus is a liar:

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Mat 22:33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

16 posted on 06/11/2006 8:14:59 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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