[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Pagan Rome controlled them so much they were found in a public library. Origen went to the library, memorized the passages and then sat down in his office and quoted Josephus. Only a believer can believe that.***

So, precisely where did Oregin get his quotes from Josephus? If the scrolls were not changed till sometime after Constantine did Oregin foresee the changes 200 years in the future?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

So, precisely where did Oregin get his quotes from Josephus?

I wasn't there.

If the scrolls were not changed till sometime after Constantine did Oregin foresee the changes 200 years in the future?

I don't accept the premise that the scrolls weren't changed til after Constantine. Pre-Constantine proto-orthodoxy existed. Hello.