[Invincibly Ignorant]

Only in the minds of unbelievers. If you will check, Origen (185-232Ad)wrote of how Josephus talked of Christ in his histories. Origen lived when the libraries were still under the control of Pagan Rome, and schrolls are not that easy to change without notice.

Only in the mind of believers. Origen, now there's an independent source. lol.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Only in the mind of believers. Origen, now there's an independent source. lol.***

No, you have it wrong. the independent source is Josephus. His books were still under the control of Pagan Rome.

Origen merely quoted from the books Josephus' references to Christ, found at the public libraries of the time.

This was about 200 years before Constantine became emperor and the libraries came under Christian control.