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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Nabber
Actually, Matthias was chosen by lot after much prayer in which all were with one accord.

Like I said...... he was chosen by men, Paul was chosen by God.

Paul was specially chosen by God to carry the gospel to the Gentiles outside of Judea. he was NOT one of the "twelve".

I never said he was one of the twelve. I said he was an Apostle......and called himself as such. He was commissioned to go further than just the Gentiles. Acts 9:15 says he is chosen by the Lord to carry His name before the Gentiles and their Kings and before the people of Israel. This would cover the Jews, the other eleven tribes, and just about everyone else.

20 posted on 06/06/2006 9:51:42 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

***I never said he was one of the twelve. I said he was an Apostle......and called himself as such. He was commissioned to go further than just the Gentiles. Acts 9:15 says he is chosen by the Lord to carry His name before the Gentiles and their Kings and before the people of Israel. This would cover the Jews, the other eleven tribes, and just about everyone else.***

But what about THIS...
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;


Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)


Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

If this is not deciding who would go to the Jews and who would go to the gentiles then what is it. Were they in violation of their commissions?

Paul did refer to himself as THE APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES.



As or the choosing of Matthias...

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.


Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,


Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.


Act 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.


NOW LOOK AT THIS BELOW AND TELL ME IF MATTHIAS WAS CHOSEN BY MEN.

Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two THOU HAST CHOSEN,


Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.


Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.



23 posted on 06/06/2006 10:44:32 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Diego1618

Why is that part of acts any more credible than the other? And why accept Paul's testimomy in his letters except that it is affirmed by those who walked with the Lord?


249 posted on 06/13/2006 12:55:07 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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