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To: Alamo-Girl
"M-theory (eleven dimensions) does not have a second temporal dimension. F-theory does and is twelve dimensions: Evidence for F theory"

You're right, I miswrote.

"It is illogical (and unnecessary) that the Father would “enter” His creation before He created it."

The universe was alrady created in Genesis 1:1. In Genesis 1:2 we see God "hovering" over the waters, hence "entering" the creation.

"Whenever there seems to be a conflict between Scripture and Creation, my presumption is that the failing is my own and not the indwelling Spirit, Scripture or Creation."

Our opproach is the same. The problem is that many creationists assume they're right a priori and discard any contrary evidences or contrive scripture to support their views.

"Again, you are accepting only a three spatial dimension universe evolving over time (time as a line). Relativity (and time as a plane) - does not apply to that worldview – it is based on a space/time continuum."

Not sure what you are getting at. General and Special relativity do operate in our universe. After the creation event, all of the dimensions that formed the universe existed (and still do) together. The universe has to be at a minimum of 10 dimensions, the 6 or more beyond our four remain "curled" up everywhere. Time in the universe as a whole, negelecting minor localized phenomenon, traveled at the same rate since the big bang.

Now Schroeder's main idea is that God's time frame is not the same as ours and God can move at relativistic velocities. Billions of years for people could be 7 days for God. The main problem with that, beyond some physics problems, is how it makes God sound like he is bound by time and needs to "move" place to place. God is neither bound by time or required to move around for he is outside all of the dimensions of this universe. Technically, God doesn't have a time frame. Schoreder is trying so hard to combine 7days/13.7billions years I think he is redefining who God is.

203 posted on 06/02/2006 6:32:10 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9; P-Marlowe; xzins
Thank you for your reply!

The universe was alrady created in Genesis 1:1. In Genesis 1:2 we see God "hovering" over the waters, hence "entering" the creation.

The leaning I have in the Spirit on Genesis 1:1-2 is quite different than yours. That is not surprising as we all ask the Spirit different questions and He does not reveal everything equally to all.

In this instance, the Spiritual leaning I have received is that ‘waters’ is not literally H2O - but rather spiritually the metaphor for language as in the water of life, the words of God :

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. – John 4:14

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. – John 6:63

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. – Rev 22:1

For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, [and] hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. – Jer 2:13

Likewise “darkness on the face of the deep” speaks to the void. The physical realm in Genesis 1:2 had no form, it was void – no space, no time, no physical causation.

Not sure what you are getting at. General and Special relativity do operate in our universe. After the creation event, all of the dimensions that formed the universe existed (and still do) together. The universe has to be at a minimum of 10 dimensions, the 6 or more beyond our four remain "curled" up everywhere. Time in the universe as a whole, negelecting minor localized phenomenon, traveled at the same rate since the big bang.

The more current theoretical physics suggests that some or all of the original dimensions were expanded and not compactified in the big bang as Kaluza/Klein suggest. Gravity being so small by comparison to the other four fundamental fields may be explained by its being interdimensional, etc.

And you are way off base on time with reference to relativity. Time is geometry. The equivalence principle derives from the Newtonian notion that all objects fall with the same acceleration and thus how fast an object accelerates (inertial mass) and gravitational mass are the same. Therefore falling toward gravity indentations of space/time (general relativity) and velocity are equivalent. In the strong version even gravitational self-energy must follow the same rule.

For lurkers, here is an animated introduction to Special Relativity. General relativity can be seen as the warping of space/time.

Now Schroeder's main idea is that God's time frame is not the same as ours and God can move at relativistic velocities. Billions of years for people could be 7 days for God. The main problem with that, beyond some physics problems, is how it makes God sound like he is bound by time and needs to "move" place to place. God is neither bound by time or required to move around for he is outside all of the dimensions of this universe. Technically, God doesn't have a time frame. Schoreder is trying so hard to combine 7days/13.7billions years I think he is redefining who God is.

Jeepers, God doesn’t “move” at relativistic anything – He is timeless and spaceless – beyond all existence. Otherwise, there could be no “beginning”.

He is immanent in His creation according to His own will. There is nothing of which anything can be made but His own will.

There is no space, no time, no energy, no mass, no physical laws, no physical causation, no qualia – nothing – in the void. I repeat there is no physical causation in the void. Only God can be the uncaused cause of all that there is, both physical and spiritual.

And concerning Schroeder – I obviously don’t agree with him on everything, he is a Jewish scientist with a background in both physics and biology. Nevertheless I find his physics and mathematics on the issue of the age of the universe to be spot-on..

216 posted on 06/02/2006 8:27:58 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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