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To: xzins; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe

I've more than considered what you've said. In fact I've spent a few years studying all sides. There have been some people here that have claimed old-earthism isn't historic or that it is the result of evolution, when I easily showed it wasn't.

The "fixation" is that young-earthism is a prime example of many beliefs in Christianity not based on sound scholarship. I've no problem with those that believe it, but here are the problems:

1. Many believe it not because they can prove it, but someone else told them it was true.
2. Many leaders of young-earth groups regularlly label any Christians who disagree with them as apostates, heretics, etc. How is that sound scholarship?

As far as time goes, it is only relative to motion or acclerated motion (gravity). These "relative" things only occur in limited circumstances in the universe, not with the passage of general time under normal physics.


140 posted on 06/01/2006 7:48:14 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl
1. Many believe it not because they can prove it, but someone else told them it was true.

I repeat. We are not discussing what the text MEANS.

We're discussing what it SAYS.

What it SAYS is "days." The nature of the story told lends itself to thinking about normal old "days."

Therefore, it is not inappropriate to consider "literal days" as on of the options when looking for what the story "means."

It is possible to preserve that literal sense of "day" when one considers the relativity of time.

143 posted on 06/01/2006 7:52:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: truthfinder9; xzins; P-Marlowe
As far as time goes, it is only relative to motion or acclerated motion (gravity). These "relative" things only occur in limited circumstances in the universe, not with the passage of general time under normal physics.

I very strongly disagree. This is the presumption of "absolute time" with a single temporal dimension. Geometric physics suggests there may be many spatial and two or more temporal dimensions (Vafa, etc.)

Moreover, the inability to create or observe the Higgs field/boson which is required in the Standard Model has furthered the theory of additional time-like dimensions to explain even ordinary matter (5% of the critical density). Dark matter is 25% and dark energy, a whopping 70%.

One compelling theory suggests that all of the particles in this physical universe may be as little as a single particle in a 5th time-like dimension, multiply imaged 1080 times (Wesson).

Essentially there are two ways of perceiving this physical reality - either it is three spatial dimensions evolving over time as you suggest, or it is a multi-dimensional space/time continuum as Einstein said.

I agree with Einstein who, btw, dreamed of transmuting the base wood of matter to the pure marble of geometry. He also said "reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

145 posted on 06/01/2006 8:01:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: truthfinder9; Alamo-Girl

Ideas about string theory, superstring theory, tachyons, etc., all tell us that there are incomplete ideas about time and relativity.


149 posted on 06/01/2006 8:15:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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