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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

If I may explain why my response to this post is so different than the one to the post slamming Billy Graham:

Graham was not affirmatively pressing heresy. When pressed about an issue which was inherently very divisive, he professed a very charitable ignorance. It may not have been doctrinally correct, but it was an answer born of a charitable reflex. It was not something Graham was trying to impress on others, just a personal declination to fighting a fight he didn't see as worth it. In response, the article all but labeled Graham a pagan anti-Christ.

This article, at least towards the start, takes more of an issue with what McArthur has preached, rather than who he is. And, unless the article has fundamentally misrepresented McArthur's behavior, it is McArthur, not some interviewer, who has pushed the issue. Thus, in contrast to Graham, who simply refused to make a dogmatic issue a grounds for an ideological war within the Church, McArthur appears to be making a conflict.


9 posted on 05/21/2006 4:15:57 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

For reference for any interested (and this is even in the RSV, but the point still seems clear to me!)

But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the Holy Place, taking not the blood of goats and calves but his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

For if the sprinkling of defiled persons with the blood of goats and bulls and with the ashes of a heifer sanctifies for the purification of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Hebrews 9:11-14

Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh... Hebrews 10:19-20

So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood. Hebrews 13:12


John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelations 1: 4-6

I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelations 7:14

Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son. Acts 20:28

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace which he lavished upon us. Ephesians 1:7-8

But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near in the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:13

They are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins... Romans 3:24-25

But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Romans 5:8-9

For in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Colossians 1: 19-20


You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your fathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
1 Peter 1:18-19


12 posted on 05/21/2006 4:40:25 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: dangus

I totally agree with your assessment of the Billy Graham business, mostly because I would do the same in a similar situation. Anyway, in my opinion, it is dangerous ground to begin trying to separate what a person says, with the way a person is. What comes to mind is, our lovely ex-Pres., Billy. There was no difference in his conduct, either personally or professionally. And yet there were attempts, to make it so. That is a recipe for disaster. And how many diasaters did we witness in that scenario?
...Getting back to being pressed on an issue. To me, that sparks of trying to put someone in a cage. No one likes that, and they will fight to get out. That sounds exactly like what happened in the altercation beteen MacArthur and the other guy.
...In reality, what is happening is the fella is playing readers like a filddle. And them kind of people get a, SHAME ON YOU, from me...


42 posted on 05/22/2006 9:03:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: dangus

This article, at least towards the start, takes more of an issue with what McArthur has preached, rather than who he is. And, unless the article has fundamentally misrepresented McArthur's behavior, it is McArthur, not some interviewer, who has pushed the issue. Thus, in contrast to Graham, who simply refused to make a dogmatic issue a grounds for an ideological war within the Church, McArthur appears to be making a conflict.
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Excellent points, imho.


43 posted on 05/22/2006 9:30:08 AM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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