Question
I know that you take a Biblical view of salvation by faith alone.
John Macarthur: Yes, by grace through faith--not by faith alone. By grace through faith.
Question (continued)
Ok, but Im a little confused as far as the implications of that Lordship to the non-Christian at the point of salvation. How much of it can they really comprehend in terms of the Lordship issue? And then along with that, are you saying through your series on the Lordship that the call to salvation is synonymous with the call to discipleship?
Answer
I am saying that explicitly, that a call to salvation is indeed a call to discipleship. I am saying that it is obvious that a person coming to faith in Jesus Christ will not fully understand the implications of his Lordship. They will not fully understand the reality of their sin, but there must be a call to that. In other words, when you call a sinner to repentance and you call a sinner to submit to Christ, they dont fully understand the implications of that. But, they will understand as much as they can understand.
Now, let me say something that is very, very important for you to understand. I do not believe that an incomplete presentation of the gospel--in other words, if you just present the gospel that Jesus died for your sin and rose again and graciously offers you forgiveness by faith in his name; if thats all you presented, and you didnt talk about Lordship, and you didnt talk about being a disciple, and you didnt talk about repentance, and you didnt talk about turning from sin-even an incomplete presentation of the gospel-now listen-could not prevent someone from being saved whom God was saving. Got that? Because if you didnt talk about sin, theyd be feeling the conviction. And if you didnt talk about submission, theyd be coming to that submission.
What I am saying is that when we present a shallow gospel, we dont prevent the elect from getting saved; we make people think theyre saved who arent. Thats the issue. Do you see the distinction? Thats the issue. And so what we have-just imagine this now!-what we have then are a lot of people who think theyre Christians. And we have a lot of churches that are run by congregational rule, which means that a lot of churches are being run by what? Non-Christians! Thats a frightening reality. Im quite sure there are Christian organizations being operated by non-Christians.
So, I dont want to say that You know, somebody said to me, Well, I didnt know all about Lordship when I was saved. Am I not saved? No. The issue is, Do you understand that Jesus is Lord and is it your hearts desire to love Him and serve Him? And if the answer is yes, then you understand it. So, thats the point you have to understand.
Now, Jesus called men to follow Him in discipleship. He called them to obey Him. Weve shown all of that and well even go into more detail when the book comes out.
I believe that when you present the gospel-now listen carefully to this-you can make it as difficult as possible! Thats what Jesus did. He made it as difficult as possible. Why? Because salvation is a work of God, not based on the cleverness of the one giving the gospel, but based on the power of God. So, if a person is being saved by God, then you want them to fully understand their salvation. And if God isnt doing it, you want to make sure that theyre not coming in on some illusion.
Added to Bible Bulletin Board's "MacArthurs Questions and Answers" by:
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You have to understand that "point" in order to accomplish what????
"What I am saying is that when we present a shallow gospel, we dont prevent the elect from getting saved; we make people think theyre saved who arent. Thats the issue. Do you see the distinction?"
Is he saying there will be people at the judgment seat saying, "Gee, I thought I was saved?"
Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Nothing complicated about that.