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To: blue-duncan; Full Court; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; AlbionGirl; fortheDeclaration; ...
"They told me that the farther you go in Reformation theology, the more you end up in Catholicism and liturgy."

ROTFL!

You're getting veeery sleeepy...

Black is white and white is black. Rome loves the Five Solas of the Reformation. Calvin really adored that eucharist. Luther was just joshin' about justification. And Willilam Tyndale, who was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English against the dictate of the Romanists, was only fooling around when he was confronted by the Biblical ignorance of a particular priest...

"If God spare my life, ere many years pass, I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scriptures than thou dost."

And so he did, by the grace of God alone.

52 posted on 05/18/2006 10:00:35 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Luther was just joshin' about justification.

Why do you think he kept infant baptism?

60 posted on 05/18/2006 10:13:16 AM PDT by Full Court (Jesus saves)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

My hero.

"Oh Lord, open the King of England's eyes!"

64 posted on 05/18/2006 10:21:21 AM PDT by Full Court (Jesus saves)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; Full Court; Gamecock; HarleyD; AlbionGirl; fortheDeclaration
"They told me that the farther you go in Reformation theology, the more you end up in Catholicism and liturgy."

They told him that? Were they church recruiters, behind on quota, needing more converts??? I guess they conveniently forgot to tell him about the Council of Trent's Sixth Session....

CANON V.-If any one saith, that, since Adam's sin, the free will of man is lost and extinguished; or, that it is a thing with only a name, yea a name without a reality, a figment, in fine, introduced into the Church by Satan; let him be anathema.

CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.

CANON XI.-If any one saith, that men are justified, either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and is inherent in them; or even that the grace, whereby we are justified, is only the favour of God; let him be anathema.

CANON XV.-If any one saith, that a man, who is born again and justified, is bound of faith to believe that he is assuredly in the number of the predestinate; let him be anathema.

CANON XXIV.-If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.

CANON XXX.-If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.


67 posted on 05/18/2006 10:38:48 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Full Court; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; AlbionGirl; fortheDeclaration
"They told me that the farther you go in Reformation theology, the more you end up in Catholicism and liturgy."

"ROTFL!"

This is serious stuff and you are laughing at it instead of plugging up the hole in the Reformation theology where all the converts are leaking out.

Here is some patching material specially anointed by Benny Hinn for just the occasion. Just put it on the crack in the theology where they are leaking out. You can thank me later.


73 posted on 05/18/2006 10:59:53 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And Willilam Tyndale, who was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English against the dictate of the Romanists

Tyndale was executed in Belgium on a charge of heresy, not for translating the Bible into English, which wouldn't have been very interesting to the Belgians anyway.

The "King of England" whose eyes he prayed to be opened had already broken with Rome by then, and was busily executing faithful Catholics.

78 posted on 05/18/2006 11:40:35 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Good post, Dr. Eckleburg. The things which are most distinctive in Reformation Protestantism (such as the "Five Solas") are not compatible with Catholicism.

As far as I can see, each of these (Sola gratia, Sola fide, Sola scriptura, Solus Christus, and Soli Deo gloria) could very well have a catholic and orthodox interpretation, but this is an interpretation I have never heard from a Protestant source. (That could probably lead to a discussion much more subtle and detailed than I am able to participate in. I know my limitations!)

I do want to directly dispute one point. You said:

"William Tyndale... was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English against the dictate of the Romanists."

Not exactly. Numerous partial and complete English translations of the Bible had been made from the 7th century onward. From 950 to 970 the monk Aldred produced an Anglo-Saxon version of the Lindisfarne Gospels. You can see this for yourself in the British Library: the first Bible translated into English, over 1,000 years ago!

These translations were produced, preserved, and treasured by the Catholic (or, as you say, "Romanist") Church. Centuries later, when the printing press made books much more widely available, English-speaking Catholics exiled on the other side of the Channel published the Douay-Rheims English translation one year before the King James Version.

I just wanted to correct the over-broad generalization that the Catholic Church was opposed to the translation or publication of the Bible.

One other thing: besides translating the Bible, Tyndale also held and published views which were considered heretical, first by the Catholic Church, and later by the Church of England which was established by Henry VIII. His Bible translation also included notes and commentary promoting these views.

Furthermore, Tyndale published an essay in 1530, "The Practyse of Prelates," which opposed King Henry VIII's divorce and remarriage. This infuriated the King. Thus Tyndale had to flee England; went into exile; was betrayed; was imprisoned on the Continent; and was hauled back to England and martyred in 1536. It was not, as you say, "at the dictates of the Romanists" --- the "Romanists" weren't in a position to "dictate" anything in the court of Henry VIII. Tyndale was strangled to death, and his body burnt, at the instigation of agents of Henry VIII and the Anglican Church.

81 posted on 05/18/2006 12:05:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love mercy, and walk humbly with your God?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"If God spare my life, ere many years pass, I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scriptures than thou dost."

A great quote by Tyndale, great-grandfather of the King James Bible, the Bible hated by Rome and Ecumenical's.

The truth divides.

109 posted on 05/18/2006 2:08:34 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I sent Randall an email, in it I told him I was not surprised that the pro-life movement had so many tares in the leadership. I was also not surprised he was one of them . God once prophesied through the mouth of an ass and he prophesied from the mouth of a false prophet Balaam and the pagan king .


223 posted on 05/19/2006 6:53:28 PM PDT by ears_to_hear ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see. ")
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