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Very well said, Claud. Thanks. It is good to hear a fresh perspective. My children were raised in the Pauline Rite and they also used to go to the Indult with me so they were well catechized as to the parts of the Mass. They memorized the P.A.R,T. s of the Mass as Petition, Adoration,Reparation,and Thanksgiving and so they understand the new Ordo Missae has a balanced approach.

Still, what you say has a lot of merit. A lot of Parishes have poor Liturgies.

There has never been a time in the church when Liturgical catechesis was all that it outght be but that is the not only the fault of the Clergy. It is also the fault of parents who have the initial duty, as the domestic church, to catechize their children.

I'll bet you'll do a smashing job of catechizing your own kids.

I do have a lot of "baggage" when it comes to the Liturgy. I spend so much time in polemics and argumentation that I don't always listen to the ideas and thoughts of others. I apologize. That is only one of many faults I have.

As I have said many times before, I am thankful those who love the old Ordo Missae have the Indult. There are many real Christians whose longanimity and faithfulness is being rewarded via the Indult. It is a great grace for many and it wasn't my intention to rain on anyone's parade.

I do have a lot of "baggage" when it comes to the Liturgy. I spend so much time in polemics and argumentation that I don't always listen to the ideas and thoughts of others.

Thank goodness we trads are TOTALLY immune to that! ;)

But there's no need to apologize, my friend. Unity in essentials, diversity in non-essentials, and in all things charity, which you have shown a great deal in your post.

God bless.

Dear bornacatholic and Claud,

I was born a bit ahead of Claud (but not TOO much), and thus have dim memories of something other than the new rite. However, frankly, I appear to have received First Holy Communion in a transitional rite, I guess a vernacular dialogue Mass version of the old rite.

I vividly remember when our prayers changed. I wasn't crazy about all the changes, but I didn't get really worked up over them. I much prefer the old, "Lord I am not worthy that You should come under my roof, only say the word and my soul shall be healed," but am not losing my faith over "Lord I am not worthy to receive You, only say the word and I shall be healed."

From the perspective of the actual liturgy, I just don't see enough difference between the two rites, at least when both rendered in the vernacular, to get bent out of shape about one or the other. I prefer how the English language was used in the vernacular version of the old rite (and in fact, of the first vernacular versions we had of the new rite, too), but have been to many new rite Masses that were celebrated well.

My one beef is with the music. If it were up to me (and it's not), we'd go back to Gregorian chant, exclusively, for a century, so that the memory of the dreck with which we currently must put up would fade into oblivion.

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