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To: Sunsong
You believe, don't you, in vengence and killing for God?

No. "Vengeance is mine," sayeth the Lord.

How so, by denying the pain and suffering of billions? I would say that those who find heaven by denying or enjoying the incredible suffering of billions - have not found heaven - they have found sadism.

I do not deny pain and suffering. They are part of reality too. Part, not all. We are meant to bear suffering gracefully. Much suffering would disappear if we simply followed the Ten Commandments. If people practiced self-restraint, we wouldn't have to worry about STD's or abortion etc. More suffering has been caused by those who want Heaven on Earth than by those who believe in the God who will Juge All.

44 posted on 05/04/2006 5:37:32 AM PDT by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: TradicalRC
This sweet old world also contains happiness, peace, tolerance, love, responsibility, benevolence, hope, feasting, admiration, kindness, etc., etc., etc.,.

Your list contains things that I think would be universally accepted as desirable states. I find it interesting – that you did not include, judgement, condemnation, punishment etc – those qualities that you assign to your God. It seems to me that you do intrinsically know the difference between what are beautiful states of mind – such as happiness, love, peace and being kind and those that are undesirable – such as hatred, condemnation, punishment wrath etc.

I do not deny pain and suffering. They are part of reality too. Part, not all. We are meant to bear suffering gracefully. Much suffering would disappear if we simply followed the Ten Commandments. If people practiced self-restraint, we wouldn't have to worry about STD's or abortion etc. More suffering has been caused by those who want Heaven on Earth than by those who believe in the God who will Juge All.

I believe in a loving God – not a wrathful, vengeful, eager to punish one. That doesn’t even make sense to me. I have known humans on this earth who were so loving, forgiving and kind and helpful to others that it was/is a joy and an honor to know them. God’s Love is so far beyond what any of us humans can yet imagine or perceive. God loves us, all of us, more than we will ever know….more than we can begin to try to dream of.

I find it sad that so many prefer to believe in a punitive, wrathful God. The Islamists justify their savagery, hate and murder by creating God in their own image. It is their claim that God wants them to kill and to torture because of the sinful ways of the infidels. I see far too much correlation to the Islamists in those Christians who seem to froth at the mouth over the possibility of someone they don’t approve of being punished by their big, bad God. I find that sad and, yes, tragic.

Jesus said, “Love one another as I have loved you”. That is, to me, sacred scripture. Not those who quote the Bible to justify being unloving.

46 posted on 05/06/2006 5:10:16 PM PDT by Sunsong
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