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To: DelphiUser
>>Time doesn't matter as much trying to make an imitation of the real thing.

>>Time does matter because it was part of the original challenge issued. (Write a book this long, include these things no rewrites, this much time, Go…) You can’t take any of the requirements away and say you’ve met the challenge, anymore than you can just claim to have won an election without having enough actual votes.

These (referring to time) are all claimed by other "special books" or other religions to give them supposed authority...nothing different from Mormonism to Koran (of which I have already mentioned). Prove that Joe Smith did what he said he did - time wise; video camera? Supreme Court rulings? I would hope that his 'friend' went 'fronting' for him. I guess this goes back to the lies that someone had mentioned earlier...

Which is more authoritative? God's Word(s) or angels word(s)
526 posted on 05/09/2006 8:28:58 AM PDT by tmp02
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To: tmp02; DelphiUser

Which is more authoritative? God's Word(s) or angels word(s)

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ANGELS OF THE LORD 659 VERSES

Gen. 16: 7
7 ¶ And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

Gen. 16: 9
9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

Gen. 16: 10
10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

Gen. 16: 11
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

Gen. 19: 1
1 AND there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Gen. 19: 15
15 ¶ And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

Gen. 21: 17
17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

Gen. 22: 11
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.

Gen. 22: 15
15 ¶ And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

Gen. 24: 7
7 ¶ The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father’s house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence.

Gen. 24: 40
40 And he said unto me, The LORD, before whom I walk, will send his angel with thee, and prosper thy way; and thou shalt take a wife for my son of my kindred, and of my father’s house:

Gen. 28: 12
12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

Gen. 31: 11
11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.

Gen. 32: 1
1 AND Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him.

Gen. 48: 16
16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Ex. 3: 2
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Ex. 14: 19
19 ¶ And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

Ex. 23: 20
20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Ex. 23: 23
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

Ex. 32: 34
34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.

Ex. 33: 2
2 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:

Num. 20: 16
16 And when we cried unto the LORD, he heard our voice, and sent an angel, and hath brought us forth out of Egypt: and, behold, we are in Kadesh, a city in the uttermost of thy border:

Num. 22: 22
22 ¶ And God’s anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.

Num. 22: 23
23 And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.

Num. 22: 24
24 But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.

Num. 22: 25
25 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam’s foot against the wall: and he smote her again.

Num. 22: 26
26 And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.

Num. 22: 27
27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam’s anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.

Num. 22: 31
31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

Num. 22: 32
32 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:

Num. 22: 34
34 And Balaam said unto the angel of the LORD, I have sinned; for I knew not that thou stoodest in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease thee, I will get me back again.

Num. 22: 35
35 And the angel of the LORD said unto Balaam, Go with the men: but only the word that I shall speak unto thee, that thou shalt speak. So Balaam went with the princes of Balak.

Judg. 2: 1
1 AND an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Judg. 2: 4
4 And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spake these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept.

Judg. 5: 23
23 Curse ye Meroz, said the angel of the LORD, curse ye bitterly the inhabitants thereof; because they came not to the help of the LORD, to the help of the LORD against the mighty.

Judg. 6: 11
11 ¶ And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abi-ezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites.

Judg. 6: 12
12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.

Judg. 6: 20
20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so.

Judg. 6: 21
21 ¶ Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.

Judg. 6: 22
22 And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.

Judg. 13: 3
3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.

Judg. 13: 6
6 ¶ Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:

Judg. 13: 9
9 And God hearkened to the voice of Manoah; and the angel of God came again unto the woman as she sat in the field: but Manoah her husband was not with her.

Judg. 13: 13
13 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware.

Judg. 13: 15
15 ¶ And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee.

Judg. 13: 16
16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD.

Judg. 13: 17
17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?

Judg. 13: 18
18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

Judg. 13: 19
19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.

Judg. 13: 20
20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.

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528 posted on 05/09/2006 9:13:39 AM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts! Its all depends on who dominates the colors of the Gumballs!<:)
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To: tmp02; DelphiUser

THE DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

SECTION 1

38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.

Footnotes


38a 2 Kgs. 10: 10.
10 Know now that there shall fall unto the earth nothing of the word of the LORD, which the LORD spake concerning the house of Ahab: for the LORD hath done that which he spake by his servant Elijah.

Ps. 33: 11.
11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Ps. 119: 89.
89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Matt. 5: 18.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matt. 24: 35.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

2 Ne. 9: 16.
16 And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.

2 Ne. 10: 17.
17 For I will fulfil my promises which I have made unto the children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh—

D&C 5: 20.
20 Behold, I tell you these things, even as I also told the people of the destruction of Jerusalem; and my word shall be verified at this time as it hath hitherto been verified.

D&C 101: 64.
64 That the work of the gathering together of my saints may continue, that I may build them up unto my name upon holy places; for the time of harvest is come, and my word must needs be fulfilled.

Moses 1: 4.
4 And, behold, thou art my son; wherefore look, and I will show thee the workmanship of mine hands; but not all, for my works are without end, and also my words, for they never cease.

JS-M 1: 35.
35 Although, the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my words shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled.

b TG Promise.

c Deut. 18: 18.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Jer. 7: 23 (21-28).
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

D&C 18: 35 (33-39).
35 For it is my voice which speaketh them unto you; for they are given by my Spirit unto you, and by my power you can read them one to another; and save it were by my power you could not have them;

D&C 21: 5.
5 For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith.

TG Obedience.
TG Prophecy.
TG Revelation.

d Isa. 50: 10.
10 ¶ Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.

1 Jn. 4: 6 (1-6).
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

D&C 25: 16.
16 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my voice unto all. Amen.

TG Priesthood, Authority.

e 1 Thes. 4: 2.
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

TG Prophets, Mission of.
TG Servant.
f TG Sustaining Church Leaders


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529 posted on 05/09/2006 9:13:45 AM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts! Its all depends on who dominates the colors of the Gumballs!<:)
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To: tmp02

>> These (referring to time) are all claimed by other "special books" or other religions to
>>give them supposed authority...nothing different from Mormonism to Koran (of which
>>I have already mentioned). Prove that Joe Smith did what he said he did - time wise;
>>video camera? Supreme Court rulings? I would hope that his 'friend' went 'fronting' for
>>him. I guess this goes back to the lies that someone had mentioned earlier...

Are you saying Joseph Smith started years before it is historically recorded that he did?

Ya got any proof to go with that accusation that he and others lied, or is your statement all I should need? (Get a Grip alert!)

>> Which is more authoritative? God's Word(s) or angels word(s)

Are they going to disagree? (I am assuming God sent the angel, that it is not an angel of darkness we are talking about.)

If God sends an angel to give you a command, does not that angel carry God’s Authority?

I personally see no difference in their authority.

Corinthians 12:3-6
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

So, Jesus is the Lord my God He is the redeemer of my soul, and the only Power under heaven by which man (of which I am) can be saved. I confess that I have committed sins of which I am striving diligently to repent, and through the atonement of Jesus Christ only have I hope of redemption that in the last day I may be saved with the just.

So, tmp02, by what spirit did I just testify of Christ? The Book of Mormon also testifies of Christ. Can a work that is from the Devil testify of Christ? Does the Koran, the Analects of Confucius? If not they are not of God, if so they are of God for they are by his spirit.

I ask you your opinion, am I speaking by the Spirit of God when I call Jesus Christ Son of Mary my Lord and Savior?


531 posted on 05/09/2006 9:46:04 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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