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To: Rameumptom
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.

So God the Father is the ultimate witness of Christ. The Holy Ghost bears witness of the divinity of Christ.


God the Father is no witness to Joseph Smith's testimony.

There have been no mighty works like those following the ministries of Jesus, Moses, Noah, Isaiah, Elijah, Elisha, John, Peter, Paul, etc.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


Moses didn't write about Joseph Smith ... nobody did.

Mormons claim Joseph Smith is a prophet of Christ.

There are human witnesses for and against whether he was a Prophet or not. The test of whether he was a prophet would be if God really did call him to be one and then witnessed that he was a chosen prophet like Moses was.

I believe God did call Joseph Smith as a Prophet.


And my point is that Joseph Smith needs to held to the same standard as any Biblical prophet. There were many false prophets in Biblical days too.

The definitve test given in the scriptures is that the prophecies of any so-called prophet must come to pass.

God, Himself, said that if anyone claims to be a prophet, ... and those things that he says don't come to pass, ... do not listen to him ... for he is a false prophet.

494 posted on 05/08/2006 2:43:56 PM PDT by Quester
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To: Quester; All

>>God the Father is no witness to Joseph Smith's testimony.

I will state here and now I have received such a witness. Complain not the ye have not received such a witness, but go and seek one for your self (Just a philosophical note: Its really dang hard to prove a negative here, “No one will ever receive a witness of X”)

>>There have been no mighty works like those following the ministries of Jesus,
>>Moses, Noah, Isaiah, Elijah, Elisha, John, Peter, Paul, etc.

Please define “Mighty Work”

>>Moses didn't write about Joseph Smith

Moses was writing about Christ, why would he write about a prophet to come almost 2,000 years later? Moses did not write about you either.

>>And my point is that Joseph Smith needs to held to the same standard as any Biblical prophet.

He wrote Scriptures that have led many to believe in Christ, he prophesied of the future many prophecies have been fulfilled others are still waiting (revelations is still waiting too.)

The definitve test given in the scriptures is that the prophecies of any so-called prophet must come to pass.

So, Revelations is a lie because it has not happened yet? God Forbid.

>>God, Himself, said that if anyone claims to be a prophet, ... and those things
>>that he says don't come to pass, ... do not listen to him ... for he is a false prophet.

By that standard, Joseph Smith is a good prophet to follow.

From the Writings of Confucius “In questioning Diety, any answer is significant” I have born my testimony on this forum before, suffice it to say Joseph Smith is a prophet of God because I have received a witness that I have no doubt came directly from God as to the divinity of the Book of Mormon. I would invite all to read, Study, Ponder and Pray. Hoping to receive a testimony from God. I believe this to be good advice when you want to know if anything is “True” and “From God” those who state they “Know my religion is not true” have yet to prove anything except that they did not receive a witness as I have.

God Bless you all


509 posted on 05/08/2006 4:01:48 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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