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To: Colofornian
a)Your Elohim has a body of flesh & bones, right? YES

I will repeat again please don't ask this question in a few days later, or a year later etc.!

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So what you are visiualizing is two Flesh and Blood bodies,

The Heavenly Father has a body of Flesh and Bone, NOT Flesh and Blood!

Luke 1
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

It is the Divinity that is being begotten so Jesus is part Man, part divine!

IMHO

I do know the Heavenly Father part has nothing to do with the temporal ways

380 posted on 05/05/2006 12:40:40 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: restornu
It is the Divinity that is being begotten so Jesus is part Man, part divine!

Those who have historically believed in Jesus have not regarded him as "half man, half God." If Jesus were half man, half God, he would be neither man nor God but a composite of both, a hybrid creature somewhere between the two.

If Jesus was a mere man prior to becoming a god, then he could not have said in John 17:5: "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

Keep in mind that the true Elohim of Isaiah 42:8 said, "I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols..." He then went on to add: "You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior." Is.43:10-11

There you have it: May the Holy Spirit illuminate all in this: There were no gods formed prior to the true Elohim; none after. In fact, Isaiah says, there are NO saviors other than Elohim (which means Jesus is one with the true Elohim in more ways than just purpose and truth. But look closely, the God of Isaiah is even more specific here: "my servant whom I have chosen [Jesus, the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53], so that you may know and believe me and UNDERSTAND THAT I AM HE."

Don't we understand here? This is not Mormon vs. non-Mormon stuff. This is, "Do we believe Isaiah or not?"

Do I/you believe Isaiah when he quotes God saying there's only one God, period, and that He shares His glory with no other god...yet Jesus claimed to share His glory before the world began?

Do I/you believe Isaiah when he quotes God saying there's only one Savior, period. (Not two). "Apart from me there is no savior." [He doesn't say, "Apart from us--the godhood--there is no savior."]

Do I/you believe Isaiah when he quotes God saying "I am he"--the servant He has chosen?

Why can a wife's identity be locked in step with her husband's (same name, oneness beyond purpose and truth, same residence, same bed, same so much more) but somehow God cannot be so united with other divine personalities?

How many lords do you have? Elohim in Isaiah says, "I am the Lord, and there is no other." (Is 45:18). Eph 4:5 says there is "one Lord." The passages citing "Jesus as Lord" are too numerous to list here.

Don't you see? For the historic Judeo-Christian God, there is one God...one Lord...just as I am soul/spirit & body doesn't make me multiple substances. Am I a diversity- within-unity being. How can I be such a complex being, but you negate God--more infinitely complex--from having such a nature?

We see diversity within unity all around us. Multiple species of dogs; yet all dogs. Multiple species of cats, yet one cat. Multiple types of trees; yet all trees.

2 people, yet one in wedlock...and each nuclear family is a trinity (father, mother, and child). Diverse individuals within the family, yet one family.

448 posted on 05/08/2006 10:01:21 AM PDT by Colofornian
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