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The Book of Mormon Challenge
Joseph Smith America Prophet ^ | 2006

Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu

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To: andysandmikesmom

Another good website is http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/

I was referred there by other mormons on FReeRepublic, so I assume it is "Church" approved.

That sight also has more in-depth answers than the official LDS website. That site is somewhat geared to investigators of the Church.


181 posted on 04/30/2006 5:37:08 PM PDT by colorcountry (He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.)
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To: colorcountry; andysandmikesmom; DelphiUser

There is a diferents in teaching and poisoning the waters before one totally understands the whole meaning but the opposition love to muddy the waters and thans looks for the next calm to pool to stir up!

This is typical of ex LDS as your self and anti LDS!

Make scramble eggs so no one can be witness by the Holy Spirit if things are true or false and also for the Holy Spirit to teach one how things are so!

The opposition can not afford to let that happen!

It also pluzzing how one can entertain a concept of evolution and yet think this is troubling.


182 posted on 04/30/2006 5:40:39 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: DelphiUser
Tell me; Is it eternal punishment because it goes on forever, or because that is one of God’s names?

To me, something that is eternal doesn't degrade over time. My soul is eternal. God is eternal. To me, the spiritual is the true reality and the material is just illusion.

183 posted on 04/30/2006 5:42:22 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: colorcountry

Thanks for that link as well...have saved it for further study...my, I am going to be busy, with lots to read and ponder...


184 posted on 04/30/2006 5:44:02 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: colorcountry; bonfire; restornu

>>She never knew that Mormons had a belief that man could
>>progress to becoming a god in the Celestial kingdom. How
>>do you feel about that andysandmikesmom?

WOW! CC you are positively Glowing that somebody may have been surprised by a rapid turn to unique doctrine!

Well, I answered the BOM question, Restornu seems to be taking the Biblical route, so why are we still being asked if we will deny what we are offering blatant support for? Forlorn hopes perhaps?


185 posted on 04/30/2006 5:45:32 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; colorcountry

Nope, not trying to spring a trap. Just trying to get ya'll to be forthright about your beliefs.





186 posted on 04/30/2006 5:46:17 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: colorcountry; andysandmikesmom; DelphiUser

I am also glad when I learn these thing it was a one on one with the Holy Spirit in the research and scripture studies!

No one was around to muddy the waters so I could have an objective view!

I had my bagage when I first got the Book of Mormon the plural marriage and black and the priesthood etc.

But in my quiet moments as I prayed pondered and asked the Lord to many question I had I got my answers from him!

It is a fact if one does not read their scriptures everyday or often enought they will loose their testamony!


187 posted on 04/30/2006 5:46:47 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: bonfire; DelphiUser

Have you not read are replies or you don't want to acknowledge which is it?


188 posted on 04/30/2006 5:50:25 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: bonfire

Please list any post where I was less than honest and forthright in my posts.


189 posted on 04/30/2006 5:50:59 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: restornu

I assume that this part in your post, regarding a support for evolution is directed towards me...I think you should be reminded that millions of folks who consider themselves as Christians, also support evolution, as an explantion of HOW God created the physical world, not WHY...

The discussion of support or non-support of evolution into this discussion concerning whether or not men can become gods truly makes no sense to me...these are two separate matters, both deserving of fuller discussion, one of which is always being carried out on the CREVO threads on FR...

What troubled me, was that I had just assumed that those who did not support the LDS faith, were not be fully correct in their assertions that those in the LDS faith, believed that men could become gods...seeing it on an official LDS site, I had to believe, that this is what members of the LDS faith believe...

If you want to discuss evolution, and how it relates to ones faith, there are many threads, which are just ripe for that discussion...and I have been involved in those as well..

But for now, I am concentrating on this thought that men can become 'gods'...




190 posted on 04/30/2006 5:53:32 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: colorcountry; bonfire; restornu

>>Have you not read our replies or you don't want to acknowledge which is it?

Of course not, They only want to "Muddy waters" as you said. They have not responded to the request for the plan in the Book of Mormon with so much as an ackknowledgement that it was posted.


191 posted on 04/30/2006 5:55:27 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Coyoteman; restornu

Thanks. I figured if horses or horselike animals were til relatively recently a native species in America I would have heard about it before now.

Restornu, Coyoteman states that native horse remains in America are found at the latest in the Pleistocene, about 10,000 years before the events related in the BOM. Who are the archaeologists that you referred to who agree with you?


192 posted on 04/30/2006 5:59:22 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: restornu

I've read Delphi's replies and he admitted that men can become gods. YOU said you had no idea where I got such ideas! I gave you the lds site, which you ignored.


Sorry, I've got to run. bbl


193 posted on 04/30/2006 5:59:39 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: DelphiUser

You said Mormon's belief is in one God. That's not quite true.......which you did admit to later.

bbl......sorry to be in a hurry. It's TV night at our house!


194 posted on 04/30/2006 6:01:57 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: andysandmikesmom

well we were born children of God what esle would we be?

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Rom. 9: 26
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.


Gal. 3: 26
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (joint heir)

1 Jn. 3: 10
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 Jn. 4: 4
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 Jn. 5: 2
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.




195 posted on 04/30/2006 6:03:07 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: bonfire

Thanks for the link. Oh my!!!!


196 posted on 04/30/2006 6:03:47 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: restornu

So are you saying, that because we are born children of God, we can then become gods?...Just trying to understand here...


197 posted on 04/30/2006 6:07:04 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

>>But for now, I am concentrating on this thought that men can become 'gods'...

Dogs have puppies that grow up to be Dogs, Geese have Goslings that become Geese, and Cats have Kittens which become Cats… If we are the Children of God, where in the world is this pattern broken? Is this world a type and a shadow of things to come, or not?

Buddhists believe that they can achieve nirvana by escaping the wheel of pain, thus becoming Gods. Jesus being the Son of man stated that he was the great “I AM” and the Jews tried to Stone him for it. The Phillip 2:5 and six says :

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

You should also realize that one who had the potential to become a god, became Satan instead. So potential is not all it’s cracked up to be, but this potential is why the worth of a soul is great in the sight of the lord.

Enjoy thinking, and praying about this, I think you will have an interesting talk with the Lord when you do.


198 posted on 04/30/2006 6:12:20 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: andysandmikesmom

So are you saying, that because we are born children of God, we can then become gods?...Just trying to understand here...


the Joy is knowing who we are small "g" we would never replace our Heavenly Father nor our Savior Jesus Christ but we could learn from now into the eons of eternity of all the wonderful things the Lord has to teach us!

i am sorry but I recent those who try to belittle this beautiful truth which the Holy Spirit can witness to your soul so much more than my words could it justic!

When I found out the Book of Mormon was true I jumped for JOY I was 38 years old and now I am 62 and still get chills think about it!


199 posted on 04/30/2006 6:13:34 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: andysandmikesmom

In a word, YES

Not that there isn't a lot more to it.


200 posted on 04/30/2006 6:14:23 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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