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To: Caleb1411; wideawake; Bosco; N. Theknow
The problem some religious figures are having with all this is partially stated on pages 86 and 87.

"I should stress that not everyone has the means to escape. That is because not everyone has the spark of the divine within them. Only some of us do. The other people are the creations of the inferior god of this world. They, like other creatures here (dogs, turtles, mosquitoes, and so on), will die and that will be the end of their story. But some of us are trapped divinities. And we need to learn how to return to our heavenly home."

So if you are religious leader, like the Pope, how do you explain to prospective converts that they might not have a chance at life beyond this existance because they might not have the "divine spark" within them? How does a religious leader reconcile with his flock that Jesus considered the god that created the earth as an inferior god, and mocked him, and that he - Jesus - derives from the one true God? In this book Jesus is saying that some people have the spirit of life, but not the divine spark. Some people die and that's the end of them, others die and escape to the eternal realm.

Wow - there's going to be a whole lotta shaking goin on if this debate gets started!

6 posted on 04/26/2006 12:29:43 PM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Enterprise
Wow - there's going to be a whole lotta shaking goin on if this debate gets started!

Not really. These doctrines were well-known to have been held by heretics from the earliest centuries of the Church.

The article above explains why The Gospel of Judas is spurious as an account of Jesus of Nazareth's teaching and activities.

While the Gospels of Mark and Matthew were incontrovertibly written within living memory of Jesus of Nazareth's ministry, this document was not - it was written more than three generations later.

It also fits a common pattern of Gnostic writers hijacking other people's religious traditions to fit their notions: Gnostics also wrote spurious narratives about Adam, Noah, Moses and David as well as ones about Zoroaster and other figures. The Gospel of Judas is a typical cookie cutter Gnostic exploitation of someone else's already-existing tradition. Literally hundreds of texts similar to this one have survived from that time period, all you need to do is change the names and places - it's pure Gnostic boilerplate.

In each reworking by the Gnostics, the teachings are rote: the betrayer or enemy of the prophet/divinity involved is secretly the prophet/divinity's best friend/brother/confidant. The prophet/divinity always claims that the physical world is evil, that the nature of the deity is incredibly numerically complex, and that the mathematic formulas and incantations needed to access the deity are secrets known only to a small group of initiates. The enemy/betrayer is always a secret initiate. All outsiders are beasts, only initiates are real or spiritual or holy. Usually, this knowledge can be purchased.

These tropes are repeated again and again in every Gnostic cult.

The Gnostic heresy (held by Simon Magus) was recognized and condemned by the first Pope for what it was in the Acts of the Apostles - a grasping and opportunistic attempt to exploit the Gospel.

The current Pope has no fear in the face of a fake story that was first debunked almost 2,000 years ago.

8 posted on 04/26/2006 1:12:12 PM PDT by wideawake
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Oh, one of the interesting things about the Gospel of Judas is that the author of the text was clearly writing it to attack the orthodox Christians of his day. So, in the text he makes numerous references to the conduct, teaching and rites of Christians of the time.

So while The Gospel of Judas is useless when it comes to discovering details of Jesus of Nazareth's biography and ministry, it is a biased but still informative window into the world of 2nd century Christianity.

9 posted on 04/26/2006 1:16:37 PM PDT by wideawake
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