First: be very careful of that "transcript" ~ it is the same so-called transcript passed around by all these anti-Graham websites, which are all actually quoting each other QUOTING this "transcript"; there is no indication whatsoever of a primary source, other than the repeated claim that it's from a Schuller interview. Very suspect. Find it in a legitimate source and we'll talk. Second: the Graham quotes, even if accurate, are very garbled, almost incoherent, and could be interpreted in any number of ways, some far more generous to the evangelist than these websites desire with their convenient text snips (and all the SAME text snips). Third: Schuller, whom I've also met, is in real life a complete Clymer, and anyone having a conversation with him will be on disgusting turf from the outset.