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To: FormerLib
"Is Likoudis using a pen-name?"

Nah. The excerable Likoudis knows his Byzantine history; that's why he's so good at putting a Roman spin on it to spread hate and discord. The boob who wrote this article doesn't even know who the last emperor was, the emperor when The City fell in 1453! I just love it when a half educated but ever so self assured polemicist says something like,
"Married to this poor theological background is even poorer historical knowledge." and makes an utter fool of himself eight lines later. Unfortunately, there is an even more uneducated group who will read this foolishness and swallow it whole.

A couple of weeks ago I spoke with one of the theologians involved with the dialog now ongoing with Rome. I commented to him that there seemed to be quite a contingent among some vocal Latins which seemed at great pains to insist on a renewal, or perhaps a maintenance, of the old medieval papal supremacy (read everybody must "submit") arguments while at the same time denigrating Orthodox theology and praxis. I asked him if he had noticed such a thing and if so what his reaction was. He said that he hadn't mentioned it until one of his Latin Rite interlocutors had spoken about it and expressed some concern as these sorts seem to be getting quite vocal. Apparently the Roman delegation is not at all happy about this and are worried that this talk will lead to a break down in the dialog. Unfortunately it may well lead to that as there are Orthodox who are very leery of any rapprochement with Rome (though actually on account of discipline type matters and what those Orthodox see as a sort of secular humanistic syncretism in Western Catholicism. The question has been asked if Rome really does want a reestablishment of communion or merely submission. The writings of persons like the author of this piece and especially of the Likoudis types lead me to believe that intercommunion on a Church-wide basis is highly unlikely and probably highly undesirable at this point in history.
44 posted on 04/26/2006 6:10:42 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
I would hate to see rapprochement between the Eastern and Western parts of the Church spoiled by ignorant partisans. I am glad to hear that the Latin participants in the dialog are aware of and disapprove of the chauvinistic disruptors.

As for me, a Roman Catholic, I would love to see communion restored with our Orthodox brothers; questions of church governance matter less to me.
52 posted on 04/26/2006 9:09:43 PM PDT by Bohemund
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To: Kolokotronis
what those Orthodox see as a sort of secular humanistic syncretism in Western Catholicism.

Trust me, we see it as the same thing. The last 2 popes have worked, with mixed success, to get rid of this heresy.

This is the reason behind the emergence of new Catholic colleges in the US which seeks to provide a refuge for students and theologians who can no longer study at the heretical Catholic colleges which signed the "Land O' Lakes accord".

55 posted on 04/26/2006 9:21:44 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: Kolokotronis

"The writings of persons like the author of this piece and especially of the Likoudis types lead me to believe that intercommunion on a Church-wide basis is highly unlikely and probably highly undesirable at this point in history."

I hope that you're basing your evaluation on more than the opinions of a few authors who have little influence even within the Catholic churches.


66 posted on 04/27/2006 2:51:29 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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