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To: SoothingDave
Therefore, someone in the situation I described is damned. Thank you.

You're not understanding what I said, clearly. What I stated was very simple: God is not going to allow a person to die on their way to baptism. Not someone who truly desires it. Not a chance.

One must trust God.

Backing up, another point needs to be made. Of those who propose a baptism of desire, there are two kinds: one is explicit, the other is implicit. The theological proposition, which is not a doctrine of the Church, which has been proposed based on an article in St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica is that of an explicit baptism of desire. This speculation did not find its way into the dogmatic Council of Trent. However, the baptism of desire which you have proposed here is not of this variety, but rather, an implicit baptism of desire. An implicit baptism of desire is not of the same variety which addressed the specific case of one who dies on their way to baptism. That kind would be a theory of an explicit baptism of desire.

108 posted on 04/25/2006 2:31:32 PM PDT by reductio
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To: reductio
You're not understanding what I said, clearly. What I stated was very simple: God is not going to allow a person to die on their way to baptism. Not someone who truly desires it. Not a chance.

Then clearly all those who are preparing for baptism must be invincible. Immune from the random acts of life. Protected by a special forcefield of impenetrability.

It's a pity that God drops this divine protection the second we hit the waters of Baptism.

Seems kind of backwards, doesn't it?

Backing up, another point needs to be made. Of those who propose a baptism of desire, there are two kinds: one is explicit, the other is implicit.

Yes, there are two kinds. But you are denying that anything except a valid sacramental baptism will suffice for salvation. So that's where I am arguing.

SD

110 posted on 04/25/2006 2:39:37 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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