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To: Knitting A Conundrum
"There are always those who want very much for the gnostic promise to be reality."

The gnostic promise IS reality and IS verifiable. The promise is actually more of an acknowledgment that people have the ability to influence themselves and their surroundings. Literal Christianity is unverifiable and therefore a matter of blind wishful thinking. Sometimes people are just able to penetrate the chains of ignorance. Christianity today is the horde of sheep chased by the Pope's rotweiler.
7 posted on 04/14/2006 6:12:21 PM PDT by eyezofthestorm
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To: eyezofthestorm; Knitting A Conundrum

"Literal Christianity is unverifiable and therefore a matter of blind wishful thinking."


I'll let Paul answer you...

"Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.

For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead..."


If the central events of the New Testament did not literally occur then Christian faith is a vanity and Christians are wasting their time. But, as Paul testifies, Christ did die on a literal cross and was literally raised from the dead.


9 posted on 04/14/2006 6:20:06 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: eyezofthestorm
" The gnostic promise IS reality and IS verifiable."

What hogwash. Gnosticism is just a collective name for a large number of greatly-varying and pantheistic-idealistic sects, wingnuts and moonbats who believe anything from chants to magic spells and magic potions, borrowing the phraseology and some of the tenets of the chief religions of the day.
Although Gnosticism may at first sight appear a mere thoughtless syncretism of well nigh all religious systems in antiquity, it has in reality one deep root-principle, which assimilated in every soil what is needed for its life and growth; this principle is philosophical and religious pessimism.
The Gnostics borrowed their terminology almost entirely from existing religions, but they only used it to illustrate their great idea of the essential evil of this present existence and the duty to escape it by the help of magic spells and a superhuman Saviour.

Whatever they borrowed, this pessimism they did not borrow -- not from Greek thought, which was a joyous acknowledgment of and homage to the beautiful and noble in this world, with a studied disregard of the element of sorrow; not from Egyptian thought, which did not allow its elaborate speculations on retribution and judgment in the netherworld to cast a gloom on this present existence, but considered the universe created or evolved under the presiding wisdom of Thoth; not from Iranian thought, which held to the absolute supremacy of Ahura Mazda and only allowed Ahriman a subordinate share in the creation, or rather counter-creation, of the world; not from Indian Brahminic thought, which was Pantheism pure and simple, or God dwelling in, nay identified with, the universe, rather than the Universe existing as the contradictory of God; not, lastly, from Semitic thought, for Semitic religions were strangely reticent as to the fate of the soul after death, and saw all practical wisdom in the worship of Baal, or Marduk, or Assur, or Hadad, that they might live long on this earth. This utter pessimism, bemoaning the existence of the whole universe as a corruption and a calamity, with a feverish craving to be freed from the body of this death and a mad hope that, if we only knew, we could by some mystic words undo the cursed spell of this existence -- this is the foundation of all Gnostic thought.

Gnosticism is pseudo-intellectual, and trusts exclusively to magical knowledge. Moreover, Gnosticism, placed in other historical surroundings, developed from the first on other lines than Buddhism.

19 posted on 04/15/2006 1:24:46 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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