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Dealing with The DaVinci Code - A Strategy to Minimize Its Impact
E-mail ^ | April 2006 | Anonymous

Posted on 04/11/2006 3:41:19 PM PDT by Rockitz

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To: AnnoyedOne
Though it has some pronounced inaccuracies (it IS fiction, remember), I do not recall reading anything in the story that was contradictory to the Bible or undermines Christian beliefs.

It undermines the Bible itself.

Man those trees are in the forest's way for you.

121 posted on 04/11/2006 10:22:51 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Da Vinci Code is simply an attempt to cash in on the interest in alternatives to the Christian tradition, reflected in the fanciful scholarship of Pagels and Crossan, and the end result of two hundred years of scholarship hostile to the Church.


122 posted on 04/11/2006 10:24:03 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: D-fendr

Another phase of the on-going Enlightenment project to discredit Christianity. The"illumanti" are so caught up in that that they will promote the most fanciful notions. If they read, say, the Gospel of John they would know that Jesus was not primarily a "teacher " or even as a healer, nor as a public personality was he different from other charismatical figures of the time, the best know of whom was John the Baptist. What distinguished him was the events of Holy Week. Christianity, as the Holy Father has pointed out, is not about words, but about the Word, about the events. He is remarkable not for what he said, but what he did.


123 posted on 04/11/2006 10:38:38 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Conservative til I die; Lakeshark

Your faith is just that; faith. You believe in the word of God because, well, I'm not sure why. It speaks to you, perhaps. But faith is fallible. There are those who have faith in religions wholly at odds with Christianity. Is their faith wrong? What makes yours right?

The beliefs surrounding God has changed much over the centuries. It is not a constant. I don't find it particularly difficult to believe that a so-called heretical sect was wiped out of existence and left out of the record books. Remember, for a good long while only clerics were literate. If the Church wanted a story gone, who would preserve it?

And the submarine comment did not follow from anything I previously said. It was a strawman argument.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to think unthinkable thoughts that will damn me for all Eternity.


124 posted on 04/11/2006 10:44:08 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: RobbyS
He is remarkable not for what he said, but what he did.

Yes. thank you..

125 posted on 04/11/2006 10:56:06 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Conservative til I die
"However, no one can believe anything they feel and have a right to call themselves a Christian."

Sez who? Where is the registry where I get my Christianity permit? Who is the authority for defining a Christian? If you tell me it's scripture then explain why there are hundreds of, sometimes warring, factions that all call themselves Christian all holding to a variety of books all called bibles. No one can define what a Christian is in objective terms and no one has a right to say that another person who professes to be a Christian is not.

Dan Brown may offend you. Others may find Baptists, Catholics or Methodists offensive. Deal with it.

126 posted on 04/12/2006 2:49:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: D-fendr
You mean other than the lack of the resurrection and divinity of Jesus parts?

As already stated, the DVC makes no mention about the resurrection or divinity and does not contradict those at all. Ya really should READ a book before being critical of it.

127 posted on 04/12/2006 3:17:51 AM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: D-fendr
It undermines the Bible itself.

In what way? State a specific idea that is put forth by the DVC that is contradictory to the Bible. And before ya throw out that whole "The Bible says Jesus was not married" bit, that is untrue.. the Bible does not say he was married, but does not specifically say he wasn't either. The DVC undermines the RCC if anything, but that is hardly the same thing. People really SHOULD read a book before trying to critique it.

128 posted on 04/12/2006 3:21:20 AM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: AnnoyedOne

Are you really not seeing it?

Honestly?

Think about it.

If the "idea that is put forth by the DVC," the big idea, were true, then the "real truth" about Jesus has been suppressed - by orthodoxy.

And what you thought was true, the Bible, is part of the plot.

A "specific idea" of DVC is you ain't reading any of that in the canon. Ergo..

You see now? The conspiracy won, the real truth was hidden, defeated and destroyed.


129 posted on 04/12/2006 4:04:43 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: AnnoyedOne
the DVC makes no mention about the resurrection or divinity…

Q.E.D.

Ya really should READ a book before being critical of it.

I read it in one long sitting in B&N - a waste of time. It's "Holy Blood, Holy Grail, which I've also read, with some rediculous flourishes. The spur for both, Priory of Sion, is a proven hoax. (You did read the link, yes?)

The idea of Mary Magdalen traveling to France is a very old legend, still held by a great many. They believe she traveled there with Lazarus and his sister, was responsible for converting France, spent her last 30 years in solitude and died there.

I've read the Gospel of Mary Magdalen, the Gospel of Thomas, a great deal of the Nag Hamadi and Pagel and King on the gnostics.

I do know the story. Very well.

130 posted on 04/12/2006 4:17:38 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Cyclopean Squid
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to think unthinkable thoughts that will damn me for all Eternity.

Call me presumptuous, but this comment alone lets me know you're probably someone that has an issue with people of faith in general.

Go think whatever thoughts you want. Believe me, we don't care 1/100th as much as you think we do.
131 posted on 04/12/2006 6:04:16 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: muir_redwoods
"However, no one can believe anything they feel and have a right to call themselves a Christian."

Sez who?


The vast majority of Christians. You either are a Christian, or you aren't. There is a dividing line. The most basic dividing lines are the nature of Christ (if you don't believe He was divine, you aren't Christian) and the Trinity (if you don't believe in it, you aren't Christian).

It's no different than determining what makes someone a conservative today. If you donate money to PETA, are pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage, and voted Green Party the last 2 election cycles, then isn't it safe to say such a person is not a conservative?
132 posted on 04/12/2006 6:06:49 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Rockitz
I am. Search my posts.

Good, glad to hear it. It's more than some of my supposedly conservative catholic relatives will do. They act like any criticism of the church will see them struck instantly dead. As do many of the Catholic poster here on FR. Glad you're not one of them.

133 posted on 04/12/2006 9:01:00 AM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I've heard stories of people who have strayed from the Church pick up this book and question the Christian faith because of what this book says. I shudder the thought of having to explain away to God my reasoning for ignoring these lost souls.

And some of us questioned the faith long before the book came out. With each passing miillenia the church has held less of a grip over the masses, must be all that darned free will and desire to explain 'Mysteries' with logic and investigation, not just taking it on faith. Is a book going to cause a mass exodus of believers to leave the church? no. Some believe, some don't, the days of the church forcing anyone to believe and not even allow themselves to question things are long gone.
134 posted on 04/12/2006 9:19:20 AM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: Connie Cardullo

If people want to read Dan Brown’s trash all the power to them. My point is people believe what they want to believe, including non-Christians, many of which take Dan Brown’s fiction as the gospel truth. For instance it was my sister who first told me about the book. Apparently women were treated as equals until the Christians came and oppressed them, she says. Nice little bit of historical revisionism there. People are now going to tell us Christians that Dan Brown has blown our faith apart. The fact is his charges are not new.


135 posted on 04/12/2006 10:07:23 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Rockitz; Hodar

H>...a Rabbi must be married (by Jewish Talmudic laws)

R>Is there a specific reference for this? Thanks.

63 posted on 04/11/2006 5:48:35 PM MDT by Rockitz

But where is it stated in the Holy Word of G-d?

b'shem Y'shua
136 posted on 04/12/2006 10:13:29 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Cool. Thanks.


137 posted on 04/12/2006 10:19:51 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sam Gamgee

It wasn't as good as the English Assassin, but Silva writes well. Like early Ludlum.


138 posted on 04/12/2006 10:28:52 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse.-Rich Lowry)
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To: trisham

Check some out from the library. I think you'll like them. Make sure they have Gabriel Allond (?) as the main character. Silva has written a couple that aren't about the art restorer guy; I can't vouch for those.


139 posted on 04/12/2006 10:30:58 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse.-Rich Lowry)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Yes, I loved the Marching Season. The Kill Artist just came off as too self-doubting. To leftist Le Carre for me.
140 posted on 04/12/2006 10:32:33 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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