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To: dangus
I'm pretty sure that that what they mean is such-and-such a number were baptized AND came into full communion, and such-and-such more came into full communion without needing to be baptized.

Correct. Those who are Baptized receive all three sacraments of initiation (Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist) on the Easter Vigil. They enter into full communion that night, having not been previously Christian. The latter are those who have not received all three sacraments - either Baptized Catholics who went no further in their walk, or Protestants who have only received valid Baptism. Orthodox do not need to receive any sacrament to come into full communion with the Church, as all of their sacraments are valid. They don't go through the RCIA process - I think they would only recite some sort of words that indicated their desire to become Catholic.

You are correct, Mormons are not considered Christian, so their baptism is not valid - they would require all three sacraments to enter into full communion of the Church.

I find the number of people coming into the Church as those never baptized as quite large, and apparently growing all the time. Indicative of our society, I guess.

Hope this helps.

Regards

3 posted on 04/11/2006 6:55:25 AM PDT by jo kus (Stand fast in the liberty of Christ...Do not be entangled AGAIN with a yoke of bondage... Gal 5:1b)
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To: jo kus

this is good news. And I find it interesting too because soemone in the Philadelphia Daily News(philly commie rag) argued that the church membership was dwindling.


4 posted on 04/11/2006 7:53:36 AM PDT by JustMytwocents70
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To: jo kus
"They don't go through the RCIA process - I think they would only recite some sort of words that indicated their desire to become Catholic."

That's the way it "used to be". Currently, "candidates for full communion" enter into the same overall process. There are slight variations for baptized versus non-baptized in the actual rites performed, but both groups sit through the same class (at least in my church, that's the way it was done). Also, for "candidates" the required class time can be shortened, depending on the judgement of the RCIA group.

5 posted on 04/11/2006 8:11:13 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: jo kus

Thanks for the confirmation.
I mean -- o, nevermind!! :^D

By the way, isn't it remarkable that a church which seems to do so little obvious evangelization gets so many converts? I think the reason is actually fairly simple: Catholics don't try to convert strangers; they try to convert people they have grown to deeply love... often deeply enough they end up getting married. Some outsiders may think that this means the conversion isn't sincere; that people do it just to marry a stubborn Catholic. And yet, as you probably know, as well as anyone who has ever been active in a parish, these "marital conversions" usually create the strongest converts!


16 posted on 04/11/2006 9:38:24 AM PDT by dangus
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