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Tithing has to do with faith

No, it's a matter of money and how the people view their churches. If they view their church priests/peachers/bishops/etc as corrupt, or protecting corruption, like a priest supporting illegal immigrants in their quest to live off of taxpayers, then people will not give money to that church.

Such as trying to keep up with the Jones and not living with one means!

That is a very ignoble statement considering the way this country is set up currently with taxes and fees, if one wishes to live in even a small home they have to borrow money for a morgage/debt.

There's a reason people are living pay check to pay check and not saving, it's because the system has been so warped that it is next to impossible to save money when you know government will eventually take it all your savings away from you in (S.S./Walfare/Medicare) taxes to pay for the care of others while government leaves you starve to death.

You know I live in NYC for about $1400. a month my rent is about a 3rd of my SS.

Each day I feel I am getting stronger and hope to find a way of working again!

I have everything I need and can save for something I really want!

I really think it has to do with mind set!

Tithing no matter how you cut it is about exercising faith!

Credit cards are a curse.

I will grant you there is a economic revolution going on to usurp property rights and personal Sovereignty!

I see it as clear as day!

Now the government is getting into afordable housing which means with the hidden hand we are going to be glorified (surfs) tenants on the land these folks live on!

I've been reading over your responces to restornu, and I'm confused over your objections to his belief in tithing.

I think you have a couple of issues, but I'm just going to deal with the ones about tithing. In post #55 you equate tithing to throwing away your money. In post #51 you define tithing as based on how people feel about their church.

Both statements illustrate where your faith ultimately lies...in the here and now. Not in the Word of God. The Bible says in Matthew...

Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

My point is not against giving to your church, or the giving to help out others in need. New Testament churchs gave up alot, so that everyone in their church would have the same. (See Acts 2:44,45) You shouldn't give to a church if they are being irresponcible with the finances. However, if the church is following the Bible, you should want to give to help spread the good news.

There are people and churches that get fixated on the 10% that they miss the forest for the trees. Jesus says in Matthew...

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Notice verse 29 says to take the yoke of Jesus upon us. A yoke is used to control and guide oxen so that their labors are beneficial to the farmer. Our yoke as Christians involves controling our finances so that we can be beneficial to Jesus. Notice also a promise that faith in Jesus (taking on His yoke) will provide rest for you soul.

I believe restornu has found rest in their soul because they placed their faith in God. One way that they have demonstrated to God their faith is through the action of tithing. I believe the key component is faith in giving and not the 10% (tithe) number.

Sincerely