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To: freedom44
Non of the apostles understands 'the Christ' until the Holy Spirit reveals himself to each one....

Jesus himself said of Peter...when he asked Peter who Peter thought him (Jesus) to be....Peter answered Jesus "Thou are the Christ the Son of the Living God"...

Jesus response was..."Blessed art thou Peter for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Holy Spirit"...

Flesh and blood will never 'understand' The Christ....only the Holy Spirit can and will reveal Jesus to us...if He is willing...

"Lord I believe...help my unbelief"...

According to the bible Judas became 'The "keeper of the purse" that he might be able to steal from it'....

The bible also tells us that when Judas decided to betray Jesus..."SATAN ENTERED INTO HIM"...catch that....Judas' act of betrayal was the act of a man possessed by the devil..the very same devil that tempted Christ and failed and the very same devil that afflicted those Jesus healed and in some cases drove that very same devil out of...

There is NOTHING in Judas that is any good....even his death by suicide...he hung himself when Jesus was crucified...

Speculate all you like as to his reasons...but do not sell them as gospel or anything other than twisted history and logic...

imo
5 posted on 04/06/2006 7:23:54 PM PDT by joesnuffy (This 'Guest Worker Program' Is To Border Security as 'Campaign Finance Reform' Is To Free Speech)
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To: joesnuffy
I don't see what the big 'news' is here over this new manuscript. I remember from assigned readings in my 'New Testament' course back in college that there were Coptic & Ethiopian Christian traditions that had Judas as a saint. They had stories where he didn't kill himself & 'repented' and proselytized for the faith.
9 posted on 04/06/2006 7:33:21 PM PDT by Reily
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I understand and do not disagree with what you are saying here... but at the same time one wonders about his personal accountability since what he did was necessary in order for prophecy to be fulfilled and for Christ to die for our salvation. This kinda gets into that confusing area between free-will and pre-destination.
I am just glad it is not my place to pass judgement upon Judas.


10 posted on 04/06/2006 7:35:26 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: joesnuffy
"..."Blessed art thou Peter for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Holy Spirit"..."

Thanks for the scripture. It is always timely to speak of the foundation of the church, the inner Revelation of Jesus Christ, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail.

Can you tell me the version, chapter and verse you quoted?

19 posted on 04/06/2006 8:38:07 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: joesnuffy
Remember .. Paul and Peter warned about others teaching " another Gospel " other than the Gospel that they were teaching.
God is the author and originator, and inspirer by the Holy Spirit to write the Bible, and the Bible we have today that has lasted through out the centuries is God's inspired word,, nothing more, nothing less.
This new Gospel is nothing but heresies.
There was even a Gospel of Thomas that was being circulated a few decades ago, it's nothing but to confuse people and doubt God's word.
It's the same trickery or lies that they were trying to pass 3 years ago of THE FACE of JESUS by taking a human skull that they " think,, maybe ,,, could be " from the 1 st century when Jesus was alive, but, they mistook one important fact ? Jesus went to the father in bodily form, how could they could have made a true accurate face of Jesus if they never had his skill ?
Also, Jesus was a Nazerite, or Nazarene, with long hair who most likely took the nazarene oath.
MHO ,, the face we see on the shroud of Turin is Jesus face, and a painter painted a painting from the shourd back in the 1930's 40s, and I believe that is the closest to what Jesus looked like.

21 posted on 04/06/2006 8:43:13 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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