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This goes to show you the differences between Diocese. At the Archdiocese of Boston even in the Chancery Offices you have several people openly cohabitating in public leadership positions.
1 posted on 04/06/2006 10:11:23 AM PDT by Cheverus
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But gay child molesting priests are just moved to another place...?


2 posted on 04/06/2006 10:15:36 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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Ah, but the church that is against abortion tells a man that he is going to lose his job and that they won't marry him all for deciding to honor life and make a go at a family.


3 posted on 04/06/2006 10:15:55 AM PDT by misterrob (Mo Dowd--More Mileage Than A 75 VW Bus)
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They’re punishing someone for not having an abortion.

Why not say that they're punishing him for not murdering his girlfriend? He was punished for breaking a contract between himself and his employer, period.

4 posted on 04/06/2006 10:15:59 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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“He said it wasn’t a union of love, that we weren’t getting married for the right reasons.”

The priest is stuck on stupid! 1 Corinthians 7:36

13 posted on 04/06/2006 10:30:13 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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Were they cohabitating? If so, the priest was doing the right thing in not marrying them. The guy even admits that he was right, they were only going to marry under pressure.

They have to live separately if they're to be given the sacrament, eventually.


15 posted on 04/06/2006 10:30:30 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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When he confessed to impregnating his new girlfriend, the Catholic Church refused to marry a devoted parishioner, then last week fired him from his teaching position at Bishop Feehan High in Attleboro for choosing fatherhood over abortion or abandonment.

That's as far as I need to read.

17 posted on 04/06/2006 10:31:19 AM PDT by TankerKC (Goose DID NOT have to die!)
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>> When he confessed to impregnating his new girlfriend, the Catholic Church refused to marry a devoted parishioner, then last week fired him from his teaching position at Bishop Feehan High in Attleboro for choosing fatherhood over abortion or abandonment. <<

Gee, that's not a little slanted, is it?


21 posted on 04/06/2006 10:35:51 AM PDT by dangus
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Excuse me, but if he chose life and love over his job he would have married his girlfriend/mother of his child at the county courthouse as soon as he found out she was pregnant.


23 posted on 04/06/2006 10:45:50 AM PDT by Halls (One Proud Texas Momma!!)
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Another load of "objectivty" from Laurel "I have an agenda" J. Sweet.


26 posted on 04/06/2006 10:59:16 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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“Obviously in my heart, I wish he had not fathered a child out of wedlock, but I’m very, very proud of what he’s done: to choose life and love over his job,”

While I understand her sentiment, that's really an overstatement. He didn't have any legal role in the decision to choose life for the child or not. That's entirely up to his girlfriend.

This is a case of a church being so rigid that its conduct ends up punishing good behavior (that is, not the decision to have a pregnancy on his hands out of wedlock, but to marry the woman and take an active role in the life of the baby). Whenever you punish good behavior, you get less of it, not more of it.

28 posted on 04/06/2006 11:04:31 AM PDT by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!)
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I concur with the decision to let him go (reluctantly). But I do not think the Church was right to refuse to marry him. Someone please show me where in canon law it says that love is a prerequisite for marriage. If it is then most of the worlds marriages for last two millennium were of doubtful validity. If there is no canonical impediment the priest should not be refusing the sacrament.
40 posted on 04/06/2006 11:37:00 AM PDT by Ad Orientam (You who are Catechumens, pray to the Lord.. Lord Have mercy!)
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Rather, this goes to show that, even when the archdiocese does something "right" in the midst of many, many mistakes, it gets publicly pilloried regardless.

As anyone reading the threads on FR's religion forum can tell you, I am *hardly* a fan of the way things are getting done overall in the archdiocese of Boston. Nevertheless, I applaud the cardinal for upholding the clearly stated, previously disclosed rules in this case. Perhaps this signals a turn-around of sorts from the former collective mindset.

I saw a lengthy interview with this gentleman two nights ago. While I am thankful that his daughter is alive and well, I came away noting several things.

First, he consistently said that "we chose life over abortion for her," as if abortion *might* have been considered. Thank God he and his girlfriend made that choice, but the way it was phrased hardly makes them candidates for the Right-to-Life Couple of the Year.

Second, even he admits that the morals clause in his contract was disclosed to him well before the pregnancy, so it wasn't sprung on him. I wonder how much he was thinking about that before he did his thing with his girlfriend.

Third, speaking of his girlfriend, she was *entirely* absent from the interview, and he didn't so much as *mention* her by name or allusion even once! I wonder if that is because she wants to marry the guy and he has thus far refused.

Fourth, he himself, in depicting his options, never once mentioned that the "option" of marrying his girlfriend and mother of his child has been available to him during the entire 11 months from the child's conception to the present. He makes this whole thing sound like the mean old Archdiocese of Boston is firing him without due recourse to a modification of behavior as an option first. Well, clearly, this is a self-imposed deprivation of options, he and his girlfriend have had the option of marriage all along!

The whole story was slanted in such a way as to highlight the puritanical, antediluvian morals of the archdiocese as demonstrably hypocritical in light of the recent and massive sexual abuse scandal. In a way, that's fair enough, coming from a secular organ disinterested in the Church's teachings. The Church has only itself to blame in the hamstringing of its role as moral teacher around here, and it will have to suffer the slings and arrows of hypocrisy charges for some time to come, I suppose. But this guy, aiding and abetting the chorus of "Hypocrisy!" through his whining about something he knew the consequences of in advance, deserves no sympathy. Let him marry the woman who gave birth to his daughter, and then I imagine the archdiocese would be willing to discuss his reinstatement (if only to get the secular world's approval).

Until then, we should thank God that the Cardinal is putting principles over pragmatics, even if, on the surface, it heightens potential embarrassment. Too bad he and his predecessors didn't disregard issues of public embarrassment earlier, in other matters...


42 posted on 04/06/2006 11:40:40 AM PDT by magisterium
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For a second, I thought it said "Teacher caned for fathering a child out of wedlock." That would be an improvement.


55 posted on 04/06/2006 2:00:35 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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Let's see if I have got this:

While the church does not approve of out-of-wedlock sex, when he offers to make it right by marrying the mother, hte church refuses to marry them. Then because they chose to have her carry the child to term rahter than abort, the church, which says it's pro-life, fires him from his job. Apparently, he could have kept his job if he had helped his girlfriend get an abortion. Great.


62 posted on 04/07/2006 9:51:22 AM PDT by TBP
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