Posted on 04/05/2006 5:28:14 PM PDT by NYer
Much like the scientist who is suggesting that Jesus walked on a rare formation of 'ice' when he crossed the Sea of Galilee.
A Drive to Clear Judas' Name? Hardly, Says Official - Msgr Calls Media Reports Baseless
;-) - Thanks for the post.
interesting
Iscariot killed himself, for betraying our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Any other hogwash, will only play in the hand of the doubting Thomas group.
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I just finished reading Anne Rice's new book, Christ the Lord... out of Egypt. Wonderful book. She's a born again Catholic... moved way beyond vampires.
The fate of Judas (not dogmatic of course)
“Lo!” he exclaim’d, “lo! Dis; and lo! the place,
Where thou hast need to arm thy heart with strength.”
How frozen and how faint I then became,
Ask me not, reader! for I write it not;
Since words would fail to tell thee of my state.
I was not dead nor living. Think thyself,
If quick conception work in thee at all,
How I did feel. That emperor, who sways
The realm of sorrow, at mid breast from the ice
Stood forth; and I in stature am more like
A giant, than the giants are his arms.
Mark now how great that whole must be, which suits
With such a part. If he were beautiful
As he is hideous now, and yet did dare
To scowl upon his Maker, well from him
May all our misery flow. Oh what a sight!
How passing strange it seem’d, when I did spy
Upon his head three faces: one in front
Of hue vermilion, the other two with this
Midway each shoulder join’d and at the crest;
The right ’twixt wan and yellow seem’d; the left
To look on, such as come from whence old Nile
Stoops to the lowlands. Under each shot forth
Two mighty wings, enormous as became
A bird so vast. Sails never such I saw
Outstretch’d on the wide sea. No plumes had they,
But were in texture like a bat; and these
He flapp’d i’ th’ air, that from him issued still
Three winds, wherewith Cocytus to its depth
Was frozen. At six eyes he wept: the tears
Adown three chins distill’d with bloody foam.
At every mouth his teeth a sinner champ’d,
Bruised as with ponderous engine; so that three
Were in this guise tormented. But far more
Than from that gnawing, was the foremost pang’d
By the fierce rending, whence oft-times the back
Was stript of all its skin. “That upper spirit,
Who hath worst punishment,” so spake my guide,
“Is Judas, he that hath his head within
And plies the feet without.
Dante Allegheri
Inferno
Canto XXXIV, 20-59
I am certainly interested to find out what it says. Whatever it says, it will undoubtedly add something to the discussion.
Out of the entire article, I found this statement the most interesting. While I disagree with the theology behind it, it goes a long way towards explaining some Papal actions & statements re other religions, esp. the Second Vatican Council.
Father Williams: Though the Catholic Church has a canonization process by which it declares certain persons to be in heaven, as saints, it has no such process for declaring people to be condemned.
Gnosticism pre-dates Christianity. Other than that the Father appears to be right on the money.
BoyHowdee, Father Williams is a straight shooter. Love the interview.
However nobody can say this for sure. The Church can officially recognize (canonize) some of the people who are in heaven, but the Church has never "demonized" anybody by name, as being definitely in hell.
This is because only God knows the inward heart of a man. If, like the "Good Thief" Dismas, a "damnable" sinner repented even in the last moments of his life, God would have the means to save him.
And I have often thought, that since a thousand years is like a day to God, and a day like a thousand years, a sinner might be given an hour (in the last few seconds) to review his sins and repent them, and cry out for mercy. I certainly hope so.
It sounds to me that Judas consulted with a good ACLU attorney before he wrote his gospel.
Were they around back then??
I'd be careful who you decide burns in hell and who doesn't.
God is the judge.
Is your SN a Thursday Next reference?
Have to be very careful in reading this...what is verified is the HISTORICAL accuracy of it, not the literal accuracy. In other words, this basically says that there is a document that says that Judas was asked by Christ to betray him...it does NOT say that the document is accurate. Just says it exists. That is sort of like me saying there is a National Enquirer that says there is a baby born with 9 heads. Doesn't mean it's true.
Uh, you might not know this, but I actually do not have the power to decide such things.
I'm am as free as anyone else to speculate theologically, and as for old Judas, my side has more evidence.
How did you get a pic of my ex-wife??
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