[altura]

Sorry to disagree. I often disagree and am often sorry, but I do it anyway.

Bringing the issue of women's ordination into our problems with ECUSA marginalizes us and distracts from our (my) real issues.

Women are priests now (and good ones - we've had two and they've both been better than the previous two, who were men)

It's an old argument and it's been defeated. The Episcopal Church will never go back. Of course, if you want the church to splinter and you want to go elsewhere, fine.

If you think there's a chance for the Church, then drop this antique issue, which I happen to think is wrong.

To equate women priests with immoral priests and bishops is ridiculous. I've been mad at the National Church for ten years. They won't come out against abortion but come out against the death penalty.

If we want a real cause, how about pushing for no abortion?

[SuzyQue]

I agree with you, pretty much 100%. It's not a gender issue; it's a traditional vs. post-modernist, a leftist vs. middle of the road, etc. Leftist priests are leftist priests, regardless of gender.

However, if you haven't already, you will find that is not a particulary popular stance here.

[Conservative til I die]

Bringing the issue of women's ordination into our problems with ECUSA marginalizes us and distracts from our (my) real issues.

Women are priests now (and good ones - we've had two and they've both been better than the previous two, who were men)

It's an old argument and it's been defeated. The Episcopal Church will never go back. Of course, if you want the church to splinter and you want to go elsewhere, fine.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but to me, that sounds like a bit of a cop-out. As if a grave error, accepted for long enough will no longer be an error? Or still be considered an error, but one that must be accepted anyway. It doesn't make much logical sense to me.

[BelegStrongbow]

Who is 'us', anyway, altura?

The issue was raised by the revisionists, and was the original source of schism. The result (the APCK, the ACA, the APA and the ACC) derives from the 1977 deceit and the cowardly GC of that year. This has not acually gone away, nor are orthodox Anglicans 'bringing' it into the discussion. It was otherwise sensible ECUSAns who stopped fighting that battle who let the issue go into silence. For us, who were left by ECUSA, it has never gone away and it remains the original source of dispute.

Just so you know.

[A.J.Armitage]

Women are priests now (and good ones - we've had two and they've both been better than the previous two, who were men)

I'm sure lots of non-Levites would have been better than the priests Israel actually had much of the time. So what?

It's an old argument and it's been defeated. The Episcopal Church will never go back.

Monotheism is an old argument and it's been defeated. The elders of Israel already burn incense in adoration of images of creeping things in the Temple and they worship Tammuz and the Sun there.

The Temple will never go back? Then God will destroy the Temple.