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Posted on 03/25/2006 11:29:40 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Could the Roman Catholic Church's sex abuse crisis be tied to embedded Satanic and occult imagery in its artwork - some of it hundred's of years old?
That is the seemingly incredible thesis of a new documentary, "Rape of the Soul," made not by anti-Catholic bigots, but by devout followers of the Church.
Rape of the Soul is in theatrical release in major cities, including New York and Los Angeles.
The documentary explores the prevalent use of satanic, sexual, and occult and anti-Catholic images in historical and contemporary religious artwork. The film also discusses the acceptance of the artwork at the highest and most trusted levels of the Catholic Church...
..."Artists from DaVinci to Botticelli have imbedded subliminal images into their art for centuries, said Calace...In this case we found penises on crucifixes, anarchy symbols, swastikas, demonic faces and in modern works even the word 'sex' encrypted into the images.
The works in question include modern artists' work currently on the covers of missalettes and hymnals that at this very moment sit in the pews of churches throughout the U.S. and on children's teaching aids."
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
BTW...
Nice try Protestants?
Do you see some conspiracy at work here?
Hmmm?
The purpose of this thread was to allow people to take a look at what the filmmakers presented and decide for themselves what they thought about that which was presented.
Further I ask that people keep an open mind about this and have a desire for further inquiry into what has been presented by the filmakers.
Who knows what may ultimately come of this. It may be nothing, or then again, there may indeed be something to all of this.
To find out, we may have to be willing to challenge previously held opinions and try to keep an open mind.
Sometimes it is hard, but it can be done.
As long as it is not a "churchy" thread and as long as it is not personal, not racist, not anti-Semitic, not violent, not obscene, etc. - I will not pull it.
I wonder if Calace is an Ultra Trad who thinks the current Catholic Church is apostate.
But beyond that to think that some priests and others committed pervisions because they were exposed to art with occult symbols is nonsense. If such a theory was valid we could expect a much higher number of such pervisions because the art in question is not for the eyes of priests alone.
What we need is less rhetoric.
Are you willing to keep an open mind and at least entertain the thought that what has been said is true?
How do you know that it is nonsense? As I have said earlier, this isn't over by a long-shot. Further inquiry is needed. There is nothing wrong with further inquiry, or looking into what has already been presented with an open mind void of prejudgment.
This may eventually come to naught, or then again...
We should be willing to see it out.
>> As long as it is not a "churchy" thread and as long as it is not personal, not racist, not anti-Semitic, not violent, not obscene, etc. - I will not pull it.<<
Pulling a thread is not a solution.
Reminding a poster that sniping is not warranted, otherwise we are just what the liberals state we are.
But I find it ironic that a post cannot be Anti-Semitic but can be Anti-Catholic. That kind of puts us Catholics in our place.
You may find the article on the Iconclastics from New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia of interest. Here is a link
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07620a.htm
Sorry the article is on Iconoclasm. My bad.
Backwards? Hardly.
As I have said for the umpteenth time, the early church was not adverse to art in and of itself. There are many examples of pre-Nicene art.
The ECF's were opposed to giving reverence to religious art/images, or giving reverence to what the art/images represented.
Bit of Wonder? Oh, I am fully clear on this matter. Now that I have hopefully taught you the truth of the matter on this, you will be fully clear on it as well and not stuck in wonderment... or wonderland.
State Department report on Global anti-Semitism
The others are theological or philosophical resentment, ridicule or contempt.
It is not my intent at all to bash/insult the Catholic Church.
Bash/insult is such a subjective term, anyway.
How have you (netmilsmom) been able to objectively quanitfy the term insult in this case and determine that the title is unsulting Catholics?
One should remember that the film producers themselves (of the film: "Rape of the Soul") are Catholics.
I seriously doubt that they are anti-Catholic. They themselves say that there is satanic stuff within the art inside the Catholic Church.
And WND gave what I believe is an appropriate title based upon all of this.
Ad Hominem?
When a Christian falls out of fellowship with God, he/she begins to scar their thinking and returns to a 'soulish' perspective. Sometimes, a simple reminder from a brother, is the least painful method for the backsliden Christian to catch himself and return to God on His terms via truning around back to obedience (repentance) and via 1stJohn 1:9 praying to the Father by faith in Christ of his/her sins for forgiveness (confession).
Another Christian method is not to interfere with a backsliden brother, letting them make themselves miserable in their self-pity and arrogance, simply ignoring their complaints about how all the world is beating them up and wallow in their frustrations.
Now it is I who am getting bashed, it seems.
This is pretty much just more Ad Hominem cloaked in a another straw man argument.
Will I ever I be so perfect as you(Doohickey) and never make a spelling/apostrophe mistake, or could it be that I was just typing in what I found at WND?
But you are apparently trying to link some mistake(or did I?) that all humans eventually make with credibility.
You aren't adding anything relevant to this thread, nor is it furthering discourse.
So, please, move on elsewhere.
Or you can actually address some of the quotes which I gave, instead of playing these games.
Yet another reason why WND will never, ever be on my computers. I'll get my news from real sources.
As regards the Early Church Fathers and art, it must be realized that it took hundreds of years for a consensus patronum to develop. Some thought art was a distraction from the true worship of God; others saw a legitimate place for that. Similarly, some thought music was a distraction (e.g. St. Augustine); others loved it deeply (e.g. Ambrose of Milan, an interesting combination considering St. Ambrose was St. Augustine's mentor).
"What we need is less rhetoric."
Says who.
I've studied art for a long time. I could care less if 666 is written on Michaelangelo's works which they aren't since he was very devout.
Artists have forever placed things in their works for fun and games and giggles. This isn't new.
Ignore "on."
Yes, what is at post #20 is just ones man opinion, as I basically said, and it should not be taken as evidence that what the filmakers produced is bogus.
Nor should we take what you said in your opening line at #20 as more than mere opinion.
And lastly, anyone can see - by looking at the beginning of this thread to now - that I have an open mind concerning what the filmakers have rolled out.
Do you?
First you call this nonsense(evidence of a closed mind on this matter?) and then utter the word blasphemy in regards to it.
Like I said, we need less rhetoic, and more objective and factually-based arguments.
I see you're very sensitive about your lack of written English skills. Pity you couldn't display the same sensitivity before posting an article you knew would be inflammatory.
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