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Posted on 03/25/2006 11:29:40 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Could the Roman Catholic Church's sex abuse crisis be tied to embedded Satanic and occult imagery in its artwork - some of it hundred's of years old?
That is the seemingly incredible thesis of a new documentary, "Rape of the Soul," made not by anti-Catholic bigots, but by devout followers of the Church.
Rape of the Soul is in theatrical release in major cities, including New York and Los Angeles.
The documentary explores the prevalent use of satanic, sexual, and occult and anti-Catholic images in historical and contemporary religious artwork. The film also discusses the acceptance of the artwork at the highest and most trusted levels of the Catholic Church...
..."Artists from DaVinci to Botticelli have imbedded subliminal images into their art for centuries, said Calace...In this case we found penises on crucifixes, anarchy symbols, swastikas, demonic faces and in modern works even the word 'sex' encrypted into the images.
The works in question include modern artists' work currently on the covers of missalettes and hymnals that at this very moment sit in the pews of churches throughout the U.S. and on children's teaching aids."
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Look at some of the supposed "experts" that have been called in to lend this documentary credibility:
Dr. Wilson Bryan Key, an internationally recognized embedded imagery expert with over 30 years of expertise as both a former professor at the University of Western Ontario and a wealth of first-hand experiences as a former advertising executive. Key is a MENSA member and author of five books on the subject.
Dr. Stanley Monteith, the nationally syndicated talk show host of Radio Liberty and an accomplished author and lecturer on geopolitics. He has spent more than 30 years researching the causes for America's spiritual and moral decline.
Dr. Marc Oster, an expert in clinical psychology and hypnosis, who now teaches at Argosy University. He is also the past president of the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis.
I'm thinking more of this. He's been pumping this since 2004.
http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/alt.christnet/messages/823454.html
This is directly from your site, my FRiend...
""The full revelation of divine truth is given" in the "mystery of Jesus Christ." No additional revelation is expected in the future.
Elements of Christianity were placed in other religions by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the only savior of mankind.
All who are saved achieve this status through the Roman Catholic Church.
Salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox.
The prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers. Some practices may prepare their membership to absorb the Gospel. However, those rituals which "depend on superstitions or other errors... constitute an obstacle to salvation."
Members of other religions are "gravely deficient" relative to members of the Church of Christ who already have "the fullness of the means of salvation."
Somehow I'm not seeing your quote...
"As I understand it, your church makes the claim and takes the position that anyone who is not Catholic, who is not 'sprinkled with blessed holy water', by a 'Priest', can not be a real born again Christian..."
anywhere in this.
Again, want to give a reference? From the Catholics post VII?
I don't see how they possibly could be.
Nor am I saying that the documentary is the end-all on this subject.
More investiugtion may be needed.
Please humor us all by keeping an open mind on this.
Thank you.
I started out with an open mind on this, but after reading a few remarks, do not find that it merits further discussion. Most of the time it is clear that those who take doctrinal or traditional issue with the RCC do so from a "we're more Christian than you, no wonder you Catholics have so many impure people in your church" vantage point, and this appears to be no different.
It's amazing, isn't it, that Catholics don't start threads to congratulate themselves on the superiority of their doctrinal or traditional issues vs those of the protestants (most particularly of obscure or little known sects)? It would be such fertile ground...
One last thing you should consider, if you want to comment on what Catholics believe it would be better if you found a better and more credible teacher because so for they are selling you one pack of ..... let us just say their info is incorrect and leave it at that.
And here's a quote from the page:
These can be saved by what later came to be known as "baptism of blood" or " baptism of desire" (for more on this subject, see the Fathers Know Best tract, The Necessity of Baptism).
The Fathers likewise affirm the possibility of salvation for those who lived before Christ and who were not part of Israel, the Old Testament People of God.
However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance) commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed doctrine) or schism (separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a schismatic church), no salvation would be possible until they repented and returned to live in Catholic unity.
According to your church, there is no salvation for a Protestant outside of your church...You can remove your foot now...
I think a case could be made for innocent ignorance, here.
Sensitive about my lack of written english skills? Please I could easily say the same thing about you, since you aren't perfect. Making a few mistekes from time to time isn't tantamount to having poor written english skills. You should realzie this, but apparently you don't.
Believe me, you will also make written english mistakes from time to time, and that is why I wont act like a child and belittle you when you do. You might want to take a little advice then and grow up. Got it? Comprende?
Inflammatory?
Ah, more rhetoric from you.
The word inflammatory could be applied to just about anything posted here at Freerepublic depending upon whom you asked.
Dead link.
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The idea that "embed specialists," or hypnotists-even ones that belong to MENSA, "OMG, YER SMART"-could offer the public any insight into the subliminal messages embedded within traditional Roman Catholic iconography is the height of absurdity.
I have no idea why someone with even a shread of credibility would be involved with a project like this-much less, someone like Judith Reisman-but the idea that this film is going to be a comprehensive, scholarly analysis of the history of the Catholic Church is absurd on its face.
I have to agree. Well said.
Sure...Same reference...Same page...
~At first glance, the Church has changed its teachings about whether a non-Catholic can be saved:
In the past, the Church seems to have taken an exclusivist position on the validity of other faith traditions. Numerous popes in the Middle Ages seem to have stated clearly that anyone who is "outside" the Church, who is "not subject to the Roman Pontiff" or is "not living within the Catholic Church" cannot be saved and will not attain Heaven.
Numerous statements since the 1960's seem to have stated clearly that the Church has switches to an inclusivist position. They now believe that non-Catholics can have indirect access to salvation, but that their faith may well place serious roadblocks on the path to salvation.
The church tackles this apparent conflict in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Items 846 and 847 attempt to harmonize ancient and recent statements on salvation of non-Christians.
Section 846 by making the following points:
In ancient times, the Church Fathers often said that "Outside the [Catholic] Church there is no salvation."
The church has always taught that: "...all salvation comes from Christ...through the [Catholic] Church..."
"...the [Catholic] Church...is necessary for salvation..."
"...Christ ...affirmed...the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door."
Those who realize the Church's role and who "refuse either to enter it or to remain in it" cannot achieve salvation or attain Heaven after death.
This is what various popes meant when they said that there was no salvation outside the church.
Section 847 states that:
The above "...is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church."
"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience -- those too may achieve eternal salvation." 9
This attempt at harmonizing leaves many Anglicans, Muslims, Protestants, Wiccans, and followers of other religions in an awkward situation. Many know of the claims of the Roman Catholic Church and reject them in favor of the teachings of other groups. That would seem to eliminate any possibility for them to be saved and attain Heaven, according to the Roman Catholic Church.
The Catechism's explanation is difficult to harmonize with very specific statements by past popes, which were often referred to by the phrase : "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" ("Outside the Church there is no salvation"). According to the Saint Benedict Center, this doctrine of the Catholic Faith "...was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church." 13
Guess you missed this part, eh???
Keep the 'ole chin up...I'll pray for ya...
Someone has apparently just now learned what an ad hominem fallacy is--and HOW TO SPELL IT!--and enamoured of that new knowledge, and is now applying it to every argument advanced against his posts....
Clever brat! (That one is name-calling, if it had an object....)
;-D
Likewise. ;-D
Guess not.
That bold is an interpertation from the website and not from the Catholic Church.
Nice try.
I see.
This kind of reminds me of the PW forums.
There's this one nitwit-kind of amusing, but also a leech-who goes by nom de cyber Socialist.
Whenever someone points out the gaping holes in his ill-conceived, ridiculous arguments his inevitable response is to "shout" LOGICAL FALLACY!!!
Subsequent to which he proclaims his "pwnage" of the "Republo-fascists" on Protest Warrior.
Some of the Catholics I have encountered here are some of the most thin-skinned people I have ever met.
They seem to act as if 'How dare you question Catholicism.' 'How dare you post something we think speaks negatively about Catholicism.'
They from the beginning to the end), and then engage in belittling comments/Ad Hominem.
Believe me, behavior like that isn't going to win them any converts.
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