Do you believe you are saved by faith (which includes works)
See, that's the problem. I never said that. Faith comes from God, not by our works.
And I never said that faith comes through our works and not "from God." I thought I was clear that I believe grace comes from God and results in both our faith and our good actions.
Let me re-phrase. Do you believe you are saved by faith (which must be accompanied by works) or belief?
I am rambling, but, I hope I am making things clearer so that you can understand where I am at.
We're trying, which is good. There was a lot of ugliness on this thread and I appreciate that we are able to discuss on a civil level.
SD
What I believe is that grace comes through faith, and God gives us that faith.
That faith is evident by our works, that God also gave for us to do.