Communion "Host" in Dallas Church Grew Fungi, Bacteria Naturally

Texas Catholic ^ | 3-24-06 | Marty Perry

[murphE]

Evidentially there is some secret, mysterious recipe that must be adhered to under all circumstances

No it's not secret, you need proper form, matter and intent for any valid Sacrament, you can find specifics for each Sacrament in the Catholic Encyclopedia or a good catechism.

But yes the Eucharist is a Divine Mystery, -Mysterium Fidei has been proclaimed in every Latin Rite Catholic Mass at the Consecration of the wine:

HIC EST ENIM CALIX SANGUINIS MEI, NOVI ET AETERNI TESTAMENTI: MYSTERIUM FIDEI: QUI PRO VOBIS ET PRO MULTIS EFFUNDETUR IN REMISSIONEM PECCATORUM

FOR THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD, OF THE NEW AND ETERNAL TESTAMENT: THE MYSTERY OF FAITH: WHICH SHALL BE SHED FOR YOU AND FOR MANY UNTO THE REMISSION OF SINS

... that is until the modernists created the Novus Ordo to be more palatable to Protestants, but that's a whole other thread...

[Aliska]

I saved by my belief as stated in the Apostles Creed?

I believe you are, but then I'm not the pope or magisterium.

I once attended a charismatic mass, received communion, came home upset, knelt down to ask God if this was right, suddenly became nauseus and threw up in the toilet. I flushed the toilet. That was the end of that.

I'm wondering if the little boy tried to swallow the host whole. He could have choked.

[murphE]

But not Physically. He is spiritually present

I'm sure the bread where you worship is just bread, so do not under any circumstances worship or adore it.

Protestant communities lack form, matter and intent (valid Holy Orders for one) and therefor no minister can consecrate the Eucharist.

The truth is that it is a wafer.

False. A validly Consecrated Host is not just a wafer, Christ is really and truly present substantially and Sacramentaly, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. However barring the gift of supernatural faith you cannot "see", meaning accept and submit to this Divinely revealed truth.

And so, I will bid you ado, and get back to my duties of being a wife and mother, which I have sadly neglected today, and I will remember you in my prayers.

[murphE]

Is this a valid mass:

Goodness gracious, as if there wasn't enough confusion on this thread already.

[murphE]

I'm tired and have no time for games - but even the most irreverent mass can be valid, - form, matter and intent are what is necessary. A satanic mass can be valid if an apostate priest says the correct words of consecration, using the correct matter, but I wouldn't assist at one.

[P-Marlowe]

False. A validly Consecrated Host is not just a wafer...

I thought it was no longer a wafer. If it is not just a wafer, then it is still a wafer, is it not?

[wmfights]

"I am assuming that because they have built an altar for it the good people of Lanciano come and pray to it.

They come to adore."

I've noticed that when discussing religious issues with RC's it's like talking with a lawyer. I guess it's all going to come down to how we define "is".

I appreciate you taking time to respond.

[Aliska]

I can understand that.

Yes, I can definitely relate to that. I didn't either. So I let it dissolve in my mouth. Finally I sort of got over that.

[murphE]

Oh you are exasperating, (and Catholics are accused of being like lawyers)I was just using your words. I'm shaking the dust from my sandals now and moving on. I will pray for you though. Good night.

[murphE]

I've noticed that when discussing religious issues with RC's it's like talking with a lawyer.

In matters pertaining to salvation it is important to be precise.

[murphE]

That is one of the most astounding posts I have ever read on an online forum.

Truth has been known to astound.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I've noticed that when discussing religious issues with RC's it's like talking with a lawyer.

Lol. I've noticed that too. Its like when in a discussion I'm hoping I'm not on the clock. :-)

[murphE]

Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccáta mundi

Good night all!

[wmfights]

"In matters pertaining to salvation it is important to be precise."
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JESUS was very straight forward when he discussed salvation.
The SCRIPTURES are very straight forward in most matters.
It was only when human "tradition" became equal to SCRIPTURE that we had to become so "precise".

[wmfights]

"Lol. I've noticed that too. Its like when in a discussion I'm hoping I'm not on the clock. :-)"
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It would be nice to not have to parse the meaning sideways five times, especially when the most straight forward meaning is so clearly right.