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To: pravknight

The fact that there are some traditionalists who reject the 1962 Missal is just further proof that these people are not really Catholic. That is, they do not think that the Church has the authority to change anything in the missal. This is false. The Church has always had the authority to change the "human elements" of the Mass (Mediator Dei, n. 50). Of course, one wonders how the Church could have had the authority to revise the missal in 1563 but not afterward. The extreme traditionalists are completely illogical.


14 posted on 03/23/2006 6:51:10 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: steadfastconservative; TradicalRC; Dajjal
The fact that there are some traditionalists who reject the 1962 Missal is just further proof that these people are not really Catholic.

I'm not Catholic because I don't like the 1955 and 1962 changes?

Of course, one wonders how the Church could have had the authority to revise the missal in 1563 but not afterward.

The revisions of 1563 were to excise useless accretions in the Propers, and eliminate abuses not covered by the rubrics. The Ordinary stayed the same, as did most rubrics, which in general were clarified to eliminate absues. And the revised Missal was not mandatory except on those who had been changing their Missals willy nilly, or where the Roman Missal was already used.

The Church has always had the authority to change the "human elements" of the Mass (Mediator Dei, n. 50).

The extent of this authority to impose new creations on all is questioned. Traditionally, Theologians held without censure that the Pope would become a schismatic were he to change all the Sacramental rites received from Tradition, which Paul VI did, because he would be alienating himself from the Church and Tradition.

The extreme traditionalists are completely illogical.

Not at all. But you aren't bothering to learn the position.

17 posted on 03/23/2006 8:09:49 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: steadfastconservative

Just because the Church can change things does not make doing so prudent or even wise. Besides who are you to say those who reject innovations aren't Catholic.

Revise the Mass, you revise the faith. Try to tell me the faith of ordinary Catholics today is the same as that of their grandparents or great-grandparents.


31 posted on 03/24/2006 7:30:14 AM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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