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To: Unam Sanctam
George W. Bush narrowly won a second term in 2004, which meant four more years of Religious Right power

Can't pray in schools, can't use vouchers to help finance private education, can't hold a Bible study in your dorm room if you're a college employee, can't hang the Ten Commandments in a govt. building, can't display a nativity scene or a cross on public property, can't guarantee the property rights of your church if the local govt claims "eminent domain", etc etc etc. I challenge anyone to name any public sector, especially civil government, that has seen a net increase in overt Christian morality or overt Christian religious activity in the last eight years.

Four more years of Religious Right power? Yeah, right.

7 posted on 03/20/2006 7:13:37 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:5)
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To: Alex Murphy
Four more years of Religious Right power? Yeah, right.

Indeed.  Conservatives in general and the "religious right" in particular have supported GWB.  In turn, GWB has supported the Wahabi government in Saudi Arabia, and has presided over the establishment of two sharia governments (Afghanistan and Iraq), while he spends like a drunken sailor, suppresses political speech, and increases federal intrusion into schools.  But it's all part of a grand strategy ... </sarcasm>

9 posted on 03/20/2006 8:34:07 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Can't pray in schools, can't use vouchers to help finance private education, can't hold a Bible study in your dorm room if you're a college employee, can't hang the Ten Commandments in a govt. building, can't display a nativity scene or a cross on public property, can't guarantee the property rights of your church if the local govt claims "eminent domain", etc etc etc. I challenge anyone to name any public sector, especially civil government, that has seen a net increase in overt Christian morality or overt Christian religious activity in the last eight years.

Your claims do not stand up to examination. 1. Every child can pray as he/she wishes, silently. Disrupting a class for a Christian or Islamic prayer or football cheer or similar public display is not permitted.

1a. Secular government means: "being neutral in all matters of faith belief"; no faith belief should be preferred over another. See Art VI in our Constitution: "no religious test shall be required..." This seems clear as to original intent. Do you have a different interpretation?

2. I oppose using taxpayers money to fund scientologists or for any religious cult. I oppose using taxpayer money to fund Islamic schools, Hindu schools, Sikh schools, or those of any other doctrine.

If you want our taxes to pay for your religious viewpoint, I don't think you will find support amongst Freeepers. Religion is a private matter, not for the government.

3. Public displays of piety and religiosity are not in the nature of honoring. Politicians and televangelists invoke God rerpeatedly, to get money. A stamp in the passport to heaven or to election. Read Matthew 6. "Be not as the hypocrites... use not vain repetitions... do not pray to be seen...." Read the Bible for yourself.

4. Your challenge as to "overt Christian 'morality'" is unclear. Please define "Christian morality" as you see it. Do you answer from a popist tradition or from a lutherian tradition?

5. I accept your challenge. Morality has increased in the last 50 years, I claim, despite efforts to subvert it.

10 posted on 03/20/2006 9:16:53 PM PST by thomaswest (Just curious)
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