Posted on 03/14/2006 3:47:54 PM PST by sionnsar
Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams. He talked a good game (and was prominent at the AAC meetings where I saw him frequently) but when it came time to pay or play he got cold feet.
Ping to read later
I'm quite sure that Mother is referring to Fr. DeArtega's former Episcopal Church rector...the one who tried to convince DeArtega not to leave the ECUSA because of the "All Mighty Dollar" implications.
Thanks -- now that makes sense.
I am unable to disagree with your post.
A friend of my is an ELCA Lutheran. He was in seminary, and almost lost his faith as a result. About the time of my wedding, he fled, and is now working at a retreat.
Despite all that he has seen, he will not leave the ELCA. He wants to help "save" it, although he no longer feels that he could be a pastor in it since he doesn't believe anything the leadership is saying.
I keep asking him why he stays in communion with a group that no longer really believes in the God of the Bible.
I was talking about the man who was the rector of the old church before Vicki Gene even came on the scene. The one who said he was orthodox and went to all the AAC meetings, but decided to stay with the old ECUSA church . . . . with no staff and a handful of congregation. According to my friends, he had issues years ago, and his behavior certainly bears that out.
Better to meet in an office park with a folding table for an altar with the orthodox (which is what the new congregation is doing) than in a multi-million dollar church building with the heretics.
I will say in this guy's defense, whatever my friends think of him, I can understand his quandary. He's an older man, probably unemployable in anything else, and he's got a family to support. If he leaves, his pension, insurance, and everything else go down the drain.
That said, what profit it a man if he gain the world and lose his soul?
"They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
"They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
"They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
"They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
"They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
Yes
Are you saying that the orthodox who find themselves in the heat of spiritual battle with the Lord in an attempt to help guard God's children from the stealing of souls by satan and his minions from the Father are worse than heretics.
To the extent that they are in communion with them, yes. By being in a church or in communion with a church you are accepting its teachings or at least saying there is nothing there that is not compatible with Christianity.
If I am reading your post correctly, you should reevaluate your statement and look a the big picture here. We battle not against flesh and blood, but principalities. In other words, this is a spiritual battle.
The Big Picture is that ECUSA is institutionally apostate. They have repudiated or questioned almost every article of Christian Faith. When you are a member of ECUSA you are in communion with V. G. Robinson, Bp Spong, and Bp Griswold.. Would you join the Mormon Church to try to save it? Your position is simply contrary to the ancient canons and teachings of The Church.
This is not about homosexuality, nor is it about scriptural authority as much as it is about satan attempting to tear down what is rightfully God's from within, using the very persons that vowed to uphold scripture.
Satan has used those methods to break this denomination. The fight must continue, but from outside of it.
Look around, it's happening in just about EVERY mainline denomination.
Hmmm. Kinda makes you wonder about Protestantism in general. No?
"That one must not join in prayer with heretics or schismatics." Canon 33 of the Council of Laodicea.
"That one must not accept the blessings of heretics, which are rather misfortunes than blessings." Canon 32 of the Council of Laodicea.
St. Maximus the Confessor said: "Even if the whole universe holds communion with the [heretical] patriarch, I will not communicate with him. For I know from the writings of the holy Apostle Paul: the Holy Spirit declares that even the angels would be anathema if they should begin to preach another Gospel, introducing some new teaching." The Life of St. Maximus the Confessor.
"Chrysostomos loudly declares not only heretics, but also those who have communion with them, to be enemies of God." St. Theodore the Studite, Epistle of Abbot Theophilus.
"All the teachers of the Church, and all the Councils, and all the Divine Scriptures advise us to flee from the heterodox and separate from their communion." St. Mark of Ephesus.
St. John the Almsgiver said: "We shall not escape sharing in that punishment which, in the world to come, awaits heretics, if we defile Orthodoxy and the holy Faith by adulterous communion with heretics." The Life of St. John the Almsgiver.
"Some have suffered final shipwreck with regard to the faith. Others, though they have not drowned in their thoughts, are nevertheless perishing through communion with heresy." St. Theodore the Studite.
See my last post for some quotes on that.
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