Posted on 03/11/2006 5:42:09 AM PST by WKB
Regardless of the fun people like to have at the expense of Baptist, it is remarkable what the "Baptist Men's Association" has done for such as the Katrina victims - one example of their many good charitable and effective works.
You shouldn't. Hey, just because I haven't experienced something doesn't mean it's not true. Your nephew, the guy who spoke in tongues, and their whole church were no doubt having a real experience of God at that moment.
My point was that a lot of the people who appear to be praying in tongues may indeed be having a close connection with the Lord at that moment, but that doesn't necessarily mean everybody else who hears the babbling is being edified. Sometimes it really is just babbling to express religious joy, not a foreign language.
Amen.
Fact is tongues were a sign to the Jew (unbelievers) not believers (1Cor.14:21-22) before the Fall of Jerusalem (70AD).
Here's my .02, following up on the concerns I expressed in another post in this thread. Does this stuff get to the point where getting caught up in emotionalism drowns out any legitimate worship experience?
So true. Some time back I listened to a Baptist pastor from Houston called R.B. Thieme.< He got so fed up that he just got completely rid of the choir and the music director. That was that.
He said that the mission of the church was first, second, and third -- teach the Word. He was old school, kind of the Bobby Knight of pastor-teachers.
LOL! That is exactly what I have heard when present as a pastor supposedly veered into tongues during a otherwise rational and enlightening sermon. Needles to say that my esteem for said Pastor took a nose dive at that time.
The Bible says that God is not a God of confusion and such babble is confusing and disruptive. Therefore I reject all such babbling that I have heard so far as phony.
"Anyone who claims to speak in tongues, and makes unintelligible sounds, is either faking it, or possessed by something other than the spirit of God."
My thoughts exactly.
Tongues have two uses, one as a sign and the other as a gift. Tongues are a sign to unbelievers, yet 1 Cor 14:26 tells us to bring tongues to a church service. 1 Cor 14:22 he says that prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers. Yet in 1 Cor 14:23-25, the unbeliever is repulsed by tongues and converted by prophecy. Interesting twist.
J/k.
What a shame. That takes all the fun out of the Baptists.
No we still have the liquor store. :>)
You know, no one is asking any of you to believe in the gift of speaking in tongues. If you really want to know the truth all you have to do is study it out and ask God to prove to you if what He has promised in His word is true. If you can not do that then you should not comment on something you have no understanding of. Speaking in tongues also known as the baptism of the Holy Ghost, IS in the bible. It is real. For you to mock something because YOU see it as foolish or don't understand it is very distasteful and definitely NOT very Christian. “For you are known by your love, one toward another.”
...1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
...1 Cor. 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
Truly, you are walking on very dangerous ground for you are not just mocking some of God’s children but also the Holy Ghost. Both of which God takes great exception to.
...Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
...Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. [32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The SBC is reaping the results of allowing liberalism into it's ranks during the 60's and 70', and finally taking a stand against it in the 80's and 90's. THe disease took several years to get into the convention. It will take several years of dilligence to remove it.
HA!
Interesting thread, WKB.
To me, though, "private" is the operative word.
There's some good thoughts on the subject.
And, some funny ones, too. ;o)
"I thought the author's name made this article
a little suspect."
LOL!
***Can anyone help me find 'private prayer language' in my bible? ***
Wy, it is all through the Bible. Unknown tongue=foreign language.
If you are preaching to people who don't speak your language, you speak in their language. If you don't know it you better have a translator to translate your preaching. if you don't have a translator keep quiet because to them you are just speaking to the air as no one understands you.
In private, you pray to God in the language you know, probably English.
And here's what the Bible says:
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will....Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11, 29-31 and 13:8-10.
you not only have that right to judge, but you have a responsibility to judge whether something is from God or not!
So is this a yes or a no?
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