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To: Tokra

"not pagan rites and superstitions like "masses" and "sacraments, both of which are abomination to God!

I can't let that statement go by without a comment. The first and most important sacrament is Baptism. So I guess you better tell John the Baptist and Jesus that they performed an "abomination to God".

And if you think that the celebration of the Mass is another "abomination" - you better inform Jesus, who after changing the bread and wine into his body and blood, said, "Do this in memory of me"

I guess he must have just been joking!"

Just because Jesus baptised doesn't make the artificial, made-up "mass" legit. And when he said do this in memory of me, He meant just that. He didn't say eat me! Much of the Bible is alegorical. "I am the door" is a good example.


67 posted on 03/09/2006 8:09:20 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: RoadTest
And when he said do this in memory of me, He meant just that. He didn't say eat me!

John 6:48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” 52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?” 53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed,[h] and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever."

59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

... around Passover, exactly a year before the Last Supper.

Much of the Bible is alegorical. "I am the door" is a good example.

That's metaphor, not allegory. "Eat my flesh and drink my blood" is not metaphor, and it's not allegory either.

78 posted on 03/09/2006 8:35:02 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: RoadTest

I suspect had you worshipped in a Jewish temple with Jesus you would also have observed "pagan rites" and ceremonies very similar to modern masses. Sad that you scorn as an "abomination" what which you obviously have not studied. Presumably you would also condemn the worship rituals of Judaism. One observer has commented that the Catholic Church has many resemblances to a synagogue, but with Jesus.

Your mindset reminds me that...the term "abomination" was also once used by men who refused to allow their wives ether during childbirth.


84 posted on 03/09/2006 9:21:39 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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