To: annalex
The deceit is deliberate because if the educational cabal is asked to attach a disclaimer that would say what you yourself admit, -- that the fossil record is not proof but evidence, -- then they go hysterical and run to the courts.
This is because of the motivation behind the disclaimers, as evident by the lack of any desire for such disclaimers for any other field of science covered in high school, despite the same principles applying. Moreover, many of the disclaimers that I have seen are themselves inaccurate, ascribing features to the theory of evolution that it does not present. I do not see a logical reason to object to an inaccurate disclaimer, especially when the motivation for such a disclaimer is clearly to satisfy religious concerns, and not scientific concerns.
If they wanted the preent the "evidence" for what it is, "evidence" they would not have resisted a request to do so.
I am sorry, but I am unable to parse this statement.
Yes it is.
If you disagree, please present an explanation in science that has been proven and reference the proof for this explanation.
This kind of nihilism is another demonstration of the harm the evolution superstitionists inflict on high school education.
I do not see how acknowledging the tentative nature of all scientific explanations is a form of nihilism.
A high school student of physics can prove that electromagnetism exists by demonstrating that a radio operates and explaining its operation in electromagnetic terms.
This would not prove electromagnetic theory. It may serve as evidence for existing explanations regarding electromagnetism, but it would not be proof, as further evidence could demonstrate that the underlying explanations for the observed events are in error.
He probably has seen, or could have seen, a crude radio built right in the lab.
Again, this would not constitute proof of electromagnetism.
A high school student of evolution cannot put two lizards in a jar and produce a fish, no matter how much fossil pictures he'd looked at.
No one is claiming that any such event should occur, so I do not understand why you reference it. I did not run a survey.
And yet you made an authoritative declaration regarding the outcome of a hypothetical survey.
But I had a kid in high school (and more are on their way). If anything beyond fossil records is shown them as proof of evolution, show me that textbook.
I am not aware of textbooks referencing anything as "proof" of evolution, only as evidence.
36 posted on
03/01/2006 3:24:29 PM PST by
Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
The motivation behind the disclaimers should not invalidate them. The motivation behind those who want to teach evolution on high school level is materialism, or perhpas atheism. If motivational evidence is admissible in this dispute it should be examined for both sides.
The rest of your post jumbles up the distinction between proving existence of a phenomenon and proving a specific mechanism for it. All we ask is a proof that evolution exists. Put that proof, not fossil observations, in the textbooks, or accept a disclaimer that draws attention to the distinction between proof and evidence.
41 posted on
03/01/2006 3:34:06 PM PST by
annalex
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