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To: sionnsar

Gillquist and his crowd made up a thing called the Evangelical Orthodox Church. Eventually they decided they should be canonical and came knocking on the door of the Greek orthodox Archdiocese. They demanded that if they were to come into communion with us, we'd have to accept their "orders". The old Archbishop gave them the bums rush. The Antiochians greeted them with open arms and agreed to their terms.

Frankly, I've always thought they were a weird bunch (the EOC crowd, not the Antiochians).


6 posted on 02/25/2006 8:46:21 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Actually, the Antiochians didn't accept their orders.

Gilquist along with many colleagues had consecrated each
other as "bishops". They were re-ordained as priests.

They were originally functioning as the Evangelical Orthodox Mission withing the Antiochian Archdiocesebut have since been fully assimilated.


8 posted on 02/25/2006 9:25:06 PM PST by newberger (Christ s risen from the dead, trampling down death by death!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Given the TAC's obvious moves to reconcile with Rome those in the Anglo Catholic Tradition who have no problem with the papacy will likely go in that direction. And of course there will be some who will try to cling in some way to the concept of traditional Anglicanism even though I think thats pretty much dead. But for many who are not prepared to go to Rome and yet who can grasp that Canterbury and the CoE is very nearly as bad as ECUSA I would think that Western Rite Orthodoxy (WRO) should be an available option.

The weird thing is that WRO seems to be greeted with more suspicion by rank and file Orthodox then by those who are willing to embrace the faith while trying to maintain their western spiritual heritage. WRO has been strongly endorsed by many Orthodox saints including St. Tikhon and St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco. And yet in the United States it's only the Antiochans who seem to have grasped at this as a way to bring people to the faith who might otherwise be unable to adapt to the Byzantine Rite. I know more than one person who has said they have no serious theological issues with Orthodoxy, but the Byzantine Rite is as culturally alien to them as Buddhism.. And no serious effort seems to be thought of at least here in the United States for these people.

ROCOR has been supportive of WRO but mostly overseas. The Serbian Church has also shown strong support for it (again in Europe mostly). But in the United States (an obvious place to promote it IMO), the Greeks, OCA, and pretty mush everyone outside of the AOCA have shown something between a cool indifference to outright hostility to the idea. This baffles me.
11 posted on 02/25/2006 9:48:56 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: Kolokotronis; sionnsar

http://www.westernorthodox.com/


12 posted on 02/25/2006 9:55:24 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: Kolokotronis

The EO's original demand was for their leaders to be recognized as bishops (the 7 head honchos had stood in a circle with their hands on the head of the guy in fron of them and "consecrated" themselves bishops.)

In later years, Gilquist described this bizarre and circus-like event (in the understatement of the century) as "un-canonical."

They actually went all the way to Constantinople expecting that the EP was going to be excited to see them and would welcome them in as fellow bishops.

After the GOA gave them the brush-off, they went to the OCA. Abp. Dimitri told them that they needed a couple of years of catechesis, and was willing to work with them.

This wasn't fast enough, so they went to the Ants. Metr. Phillip saw how much property they had, and cut the deal that he would take them in right away, via mass ordinations (which are contrary to Orthodox canons and service books) -- making the ringleaders instant archpriests.

Phillip got all the property, but he allowed the ringleaders to maintain a setup where they kept their very cushy salaries...


13 posted on 02/25/2006 11:30:29 PM PST by Agrarian
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