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To: blue-duncan
I was always pre-trib. What I found when we did a study starting in Rev. is that every time reference, and I mean every single time reference when the return of Jesus is mentioned, is after the tribulation.
The typical "rapture" verse given as proof is:

1 Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1 Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Notice that there is no specific time reference given there either.

The thousand years in Rev 20:5 the Millennial reign true. But that is the "rest of the dead" or those who do not know Jesus as their Savior, who won't live until ater this 1000 years. This is for sure Scripture supporting a pre-Millennial resurrection. The ressurection he spoke of in verse 20 is definately after the tribulation, before the 100 year reign, and definately people who have accepted Jesus as their Savior. It is also referred to as the FIRST resurrection.

GE
12 posted on 02/24/2006 10:41:18 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Notice: we will meet him in the air...This is totally different than when 'all' eyes shall see him when he (and we) show up again at the end of the tribulation...

People will be saved during the tribulation...That ressurection will be the gleanings of the crop...All are 'parts' of the first ressurection, the ressurection of the church...

23 posted on 02/24/2006 4:18:14 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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