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To: bornacatholic; Theoden

You have to do more than speak the Aramaic language Jesus spoke :)

The Gospel of Matthew, as you well know, was written in Aramaic

27 posted on 02/17/2006 12:22:44 PM MST by bornacatholic

Matthew was a Jew, he spoke Hebrew and probably Aramaic
and Koine Greek as he was a tax collector for the Roman Empire.

The Gospel was written from a Jewish perspective and
contains many linguistic Hebraism constructs.

The roman church has to insist that it was written in
Aramaic in order to support their Peter and the Rock theory.

However we all Know that the Ruach haKodesh
breathed all the Gospels and Epistles in Koine Greek
for our understanding

And the only rock that Y'shua is referring to is Himself.

Matthew. 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church,

One method of Hermeneutical understanding of Matthew 16:18
is to do a word study of all the scriptures which were then known
as the Holy Word of G-d when Y'shua spoke these words.
This will allow one to understand that all of the Holy Word of G-d
was inspired by YHvH

The only conclusion that one can come to unless you are
predisposed to believe in man's tradition over the Holy Word of G-d
is that Y'shua was speaking of himself as the "rock"
e.g.

Genesis 49:24 But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed
[Or archers will attack...will shoot...will remain...will stay] supple,
because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,
because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,

Deuteronomy 32:3 I will proclaim the name of the LORD. Oh, praise the greatness of our God!

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are
just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Deuteronomy 32:15 ..... He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Saviour.

Deuteronomy 32:30 How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten
thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless
the LORD had given them up?

Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede

Deuteronomy 32:32 Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah.
Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness.

1 Samuel 2:2 "There is no-one holy [Or no Holy One] like the LORD;
there is no-one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.

2 Samuel 22:2 He said: "The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;

2 Samuel 22:3 my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the
horn [Horn here symbolises strength.] of my salvation.
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my saviour — from violent men you save me.

2 Samuel 22:32 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

2 Samuel 22:47 "The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Saviour!

2 Samuel 23:3 The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me:
'When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,

Psalm 18:31 For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

Psalm 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Saviour!

Psalm 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.

Psalm 42:9 I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"

Psalm 78:35 They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.

Psalm 89:26 He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Saviour.'

Psalm 92:15 ..... "YHvH is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him."

Psalm 95:1 Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.

Psalm 144:1 Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.

Habakkuk 1:12 O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy
One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to
execute judgment; O Rock, you have ordained them to punish.

b'shem Y'shua
37 posted on 02/17/2006 12:07:51 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: XeniaSt; bornacatholic; Theoden
Matthew was a Jew, he spoke Hebrew and probably Aramaic and Koine Greek as he was a tax collector for the Roman Empire.

At that time in history, Hebrew was spoken only in the Temple. Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the Apostles spoke Aramaic. That was the common language. Following His death and resurrection, Peter brought the 'good news' first to Antioch. It is in Antioch that the one of the earliest liturgies was developed. The Chaldean, Maronite and Melkite Catholic Churches all retain our Lord's words of Consecration at the Last Supper, in His language - Aramaic.

Consecration in Aramaic

Byow mo how daq dom ha sho dee leh
ma' bed hy eh
nsa bel lah mo be dow qa dee sho to.
Ou ba rekh
ou qa desh
waq so
ou ya bel tal mee dow kad o mar:
Sab a khool meh neh kul khoon:
Ho no den ee tow faghro deel
day lo fy koun wah lof sagee hey
meh tez seh ou meh tee heb
lhoo so yo dhow beh was ha yeh dal 'o lam
'ol meen.

English Translation

On the day before his life-giving passion,
Jesus took bread in his holy hands.
He blessed,
sanctified,
broke,
and gave it to his disciples, saying:
Take and eat it, all of you:
This is my body
which is broken and delivered for you
and for many,
for the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

40 posted on 02/17/2006 1:08:24 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: XeniaSt
However we all Know that the Ruach haKodesh breathed all the Gospels and Epistles in Koine Greek for our understanding

And "We all Know that" how, exactly?

There's nothing in Matthew that says "only the Greek text is authoritative". There's nothing in Matthew that says "I'm writing this in Greek because that's the language the Ruach haKodesh wants me to use, although 'Ruach haKodesh' is Hebrew, and Hebrew seemed perfectly okay for Moses to write Torah, but clearly the rules have changed ..."

There is, however, tradition that is at least 1700 years old that states clearly that Matthew was written in Hebrew (which may mean Aramaic, but certainly doesn't mean Greek), at Jerusalem, for the benefit of Jewish converts.

50 posted on 02/17/2006 1:46:42 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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