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To: gscc
It is called Holy Scripture - God breathed and not the tradition of man or your church. God did not need your church or any man to convey His Word to His people. You misunderstand that those who He conveyed His Word through were tools in His hand and not the authors of Holy Scripture. That you believe your church decided what was Scripture and what was not is just another example of the arrogance of a church that worships itself.

(sigh)...I begin to think that you'd rather see Catholics in hell than atheists. I can just feel the love coming through here...

Once again, the same statement made above applies here:

2Th 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

Jhn 21:25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

1Cr 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.


Three more verses to show where you are mistaken...

935 posted on 02/18/2006 11:21:10 AM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: markomalley

You define tradition as the Pharisees defined tradition - tradition, however, is the teaching that the apostles learned from the mouth of the Lord - it is what the Lord has handed down to us as Holy Scripture. Tradition is not the tradition of man. Jesus let the pharisees know what He thought of their tradition.

1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"

3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?


937 posted on 02/18/2006 11:40:22 AM PST by gscc
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To: markomalley
Your three verses do not (necessarily) bolster your argument of tradition as is practiced in the Catholic church.

Paul was speaking of the laws, ordinances and precepts he had previously given to the bodies he was addressing. He was not speaking of ritualistic practices or customs.

References to "tradition" in scripture:

The decisions and minor precepts taught by Paul
1Cr 11:2
R. V.) 2Th 2:15; 3:6

Commandments of men
Mat 12:1-8; 15:2-6; Mar 7:3-9; Luk 6:1-11; Col 2:8; 1Pe 1:18

Not authoritative
Mat 15:3-20; 1Ti 1:4; 4:7

Strong's Number: 3862 Greek: paradosis

"a handing down or on" (akin to paradidomi, "to hand over, deliver"), denotes "a tradition," and hence, by metonymy, (a) "the teachings of the rabbis," interpretations of the Law, which was thereby made void in practice, Mat 15:2,3,6; Mar 7:3,5,8,9,13; Gal 1:14; Col 2:8; (b) of "apostolic teaching," 1Cr 11:2, RV, "traditions" (AV, "ordinances"), of instructions concerning the gatherings of believers (instructions of wider scope than ordinances in the limited sense); in 2Th 2:15, of Christian doctrine in general, where the Apostle's use of the word constitutes a denial that what he preached originated with himself, and a claim for its Divine authority (cp. paralambano, "to receive," 1Cr 11:23; 15:3); in 2Th 3:6, it is used of instructions concerning everyday conduct.

Easton's Bible Dictionary

Tradition

any kind of teaching, written or spoken, handed down from generation to generation. In Mar 7:3, 9, 13, Col 2:8, this word refers to the arbitrary interpretations of the Jews. In 2Th 2:15; 3:6, it is used in a good sense. Peter ( 1Pe 1:18) uses this word with reference to the degenerate Judaism of the "strangers scattered" whom he addresses ( Act 15:10; Mat 15:2-6; Gal 1:14).

I DO believe in oral teaching. I also believe oral teaching MUST be in line with the scriptures. I believe this because Jesus alluded to this FACT in SCRIPTURE.

What on earth does John 21:25 have to do with tradition. John was simply saying Jesus did many thngs other than what the Holy Spirit saw FIT to record for our benefit. NONE of the unrecorded acts of Jesus can be a foundation for the doctrine of tradition. No one even knows what the acts were!

952 posted on 02/18/2006 4:10:26 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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